Talk:Haitian independence debt

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By the way, the 2010 request was rejected by the French government. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.131.228.15 (talk) 18:52, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why are the claims "foolish" and "illegal"

"Following the 2004 Haitian coup d'état, provisional prime minister Gerard Latortue rescinded the reparations demand, calling it "foolish" and "illegal"." Anybody bothered to ask the good man why he thinks that? Thy PS We are now living in the google 1. 2015-25 UN International Decade for People of African Descent #AfricanDescentDecade 2. 2011–2020 Third International Decade for the Eradication of Colonialism --SvenAERTS (talk) 13:09, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Aristide got couped just for bringing it up, successor likely a toady who didn't want to get merk'd. 2601:140:8900:61D0:9D77:355F:7447:8DB7 (talk) 00:44, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced claim of value of claim in today's dollars

Under the heading "2003 demand for reparations", the penultimate paragraph reads "The cost to Haiti was arguably much higher than the original sum, because Haiti had to raise the money via loans that carried interest. Conversely, had the sum been invested, it would have yielded 69 trillion dollars by 2014 at a nominal rate of 4% after inflation, or 90 thousand trillion at an 8% annual return commonly assumed for equities." No source is given for this claim. It needs to be properly supplied, or removed. Bricology (talk) 01:03, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What is this article about?

What is this article about? The indemnity controversy since 1825 or just the 21st century controversy. At this point it just seem to talk about reparation. I moved the section about the independent debt over from External debt of Haiti#Independence debt just to give more context of the 1825 demands without having to click over to another article. KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:35, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Global History, 1500-Present

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 28 February 2024 and 24 April 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Stickypumpkin58 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Phammywammy (talk) 21:45, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Stickypumpkin58:. If you're looking for a helpful, but not too complicated, thing you could do... Haiti Independence Debt#Saint-Domingue colony is not properly sourced and could be with info from a book in your fine university library. :) Cf. Wikipedia:Citation templates -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 10:56, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A Section is needed on the isolation suffered by Haiti and its causes

"An army of black troops might conquer all the British Isles and put in jeopardy our Southern states."

Timothy Pickering, 3rd U.S. Secretary of State.^[1]

It is extremely important to create a section that explains in detail the causes of the isolation that Haiti suffered, since the ostracism imposed on Haiti is the main cause that led to the collection of the independence debt. Risantana (talk) 21:45, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Haiti's independence was received with great fear and rejection by the countries of the region, since all of these countries were slaveholding nations. The United States, the European Powers and their colonies in America, nations ruled by whites, who had slaves and who practiced slavery, were afraid that their slaves would be motivated to follow the same example of the Haitians of rebelling, killing their masters, mutiny, found states and overthrow governments. [citation needed]

At the same time, Haitians were not satisfied with having abolished slavery in their territory; The Haitians also wanted to incite slaves in neighboring colonies to rebel and abolish slavery, just as they themselves had done. The neighboring nations did not want to have slave rebellions like the Haitian one in their territories, nor did they want to give their own slaves dangerous ideas to think about.

The countries of the region were afraid that the spark of the anti-slavery rebellion that began in Haiti would spread throughout the continent, so they seized Haiti and isolated it politically and diplomatically. They withdrew their diplomats, the continent's ports prohibited entry to Haitian cargo ships, and imposed naval blockades around their coasts.

A slave revolt, which ended with the creation of a state, was seen as a high-risk precedent by the international community of the time. Consequently, the rest of the European powers with colonies in Africa and Asia agreed with the others, and among all of them, they applied a diplomatic and commercial blockade to Haiti that left it isolated from the world, and carried out a boycott of the Haitian exports.[citation needed] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Risantana (talk • contribs) 00:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

this needs to be in the article

It is enough to understand the Mantuan imaginary of the time, where and when to speak of Haiti was to invite the sum of all fears. A republic of free blacks where the presence of the metropolis had been extinguished by a knife, where all the privileges of the white world had disappeared at the edge of a bloody rebellion, in a territory overflowing with children of Africa, treated for more than three hundred years as work tools, rather than as men and women.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Risantana (talk • contribs) 10:15, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is important to add this table

Risantana (talk) 03:15, 28 August 2024 (UTC) [reply]

References

^ The History of the United States’ First Refugee Crisis. Smithsonian Magazine. written by Nicholas Foreman, January 5, 2016.

Feel free to propose a version that does not include red text or broken gifs.

Also, you have not demonstrated why a table that describes events unrelated to the debt and substantially antedating it should appear in the lede.-- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 04:08, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[FIFA_quotes-1] The History of the United States’ First Refugee Crisis. Smithsonian Magazine. written by Nicholas Foreman, January 5, 2016.

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