Talk:Habesha peoples/Archives/2018/August

Dilemma between politics/ethnic category

Should the article focus on the old Abyssinian political entity or Habesha (People from Ethiopia) which would include the Oromo. Note that the Ethiopian government dislikes the term Habesha, calling it divisive etc. Duqsene (talk) 02:58, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

This is for the eponymous Abyssinians. Soupforone (talk) 03:09, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

The "Abyssinians" are the eponym of "Abyssinia" but Abyssinia included non-Abyssinians in different roles, but a distinction was made in the case of non-Abyssinians(amhara/tigrayans) like the Oromo(Gallas). Thus, as Soupforone stated this article is for the "eponymous Abyssinians" = "ethnic Amhara/Tigrayans"?CrumpPlint (talk) 03:52, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

just to add to this discussion, recent edit [1] added the Gurage people as "Abyssinian proper". Gurage have a distinct culture, language(s), food, customs in comparison to predominately Christian Amhara/Tigrayans.CrumpPlint (talk) 19:01, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Duqsene CrumpPlint Soupforone The old political entity and Habesha has not and is not currently the same thing. No one, not even in Ethiopia refers to themselves as 'Abyssinians'. And as for Habesha, it is not just people in Ethiopia, and it is definitely not Oromo people either, it does not include them. Habesha is the Amhara, Tigrayan-Tigrinya and Gurage people. [2] One can summarise that almost all Tigrinnya-speakers call themselves Habesha‘

I did mention a few months back that 'Abyssinian' and 'Habesha' have never really been synonymous (maybe to Westerners it was but definitely but not to us) and suggested this page should be titled 'Habesha', as it was previously called.Resourcer1 (talk) 22:37, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

The source you provided states the term "Habesha" is used to differentiate a "we-group"(Habesha) versus a them group (Amharu, Tegaru..etc) and it seems these Ethnic groups use it for that purpose and not some actual "ethnic identity" or "collective ethnic identity". Also the source says there is no "unitary Tigrinnya ethnic bloc" that is a european imposition on the self-identified ethnicities of "Biher Tigrinya" versus "Tigrayans". Also "Abyssinian" is accepted as a translation of Habesha. The other sources in the Abyssinian articles are definitive and specifically attribute "Abyssinian" to "Amhara" and "Tigrayans(Tigray)". CrumpPlint (talk) 02:54, 20 February 2017 (UTC)