Talk:HMS Centurion (1732)

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– Fixed! Martocticvs (talk) 11:11, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have just made a pass over this article adding some additional technical info, and looked over the rest of the article at the same time. Until I added my ref for the data, this long article completely lacked any sources at all. Additionally, the majority of this article seems to ramble about the circumnavigation—there is a link to the circumnavigation article, and so details about that particular voyage should be parred down to those that more directly relate to Centurion. Martocticvs (talk) 16:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The worst is yet to come, the 'Circumnavigation' section is copied pretty much verbatim from Paine's Ships of Discovery and Exploration. I'm not sure where the later section is from, but it needs tightening as well. She's a storied ship, and there are plenty of sources, so there shouldn't be any problem giving it a thorough overhaul. I'll gather sources and give it a go in a bit. Benea (talk) 16:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've rewritten and cited the article, plus I've removed a lot of extraneous detail. Hence I've rated this article as 'B' class. Benea (talk) 04:05, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent job with it as well! It's a much tighter article now - thanks for helping out ;) Martocticvs (talk) 11:09, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Hello. Permission to haul a copy away to WP:Froggy ?

and translate it ?.It would blend all right along Le voyage du Commodore Anson...BTW, who could tell me if Anson had (or not) Hadley's octant aboard Centurion during his circumnavigation ? I assumed he had, but some people here support he had not. Best regards & thanks --Arapaima (talk) 10:37, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Permission to ask another question ?

How comes that "on 1744, April the 10th, the Admiralty ordered the construction of a replacement ship", while the Centurion reached Spithead only 2 months later, on June, the I5th ? Did the Admiralty have news of the state of Anson's flagship before his arrival ? Or should we read "July" instead of "April" ? Truly yours...--Arapaima (talk) 09:57, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm.... the way it reads right now, it appears that the dates are pretty mangled. I don't have any references to check though unfortunately. Martocticvs (talk) 18:47, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The information is correct according to Rif's book, specifically "on Voyage round the world 18.9.1740 – 15.6.1744;" and "As Centurion reached home totally worn out, it was first ordered (by AO 10.4.1744) to build a replacement ship in her room....". I've left him a note asking if he can drop by and clear up the matter. Benea (talk) 10:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Rif, I wonder if you'd be able to cast your eyes over the current article on HMS Centurion (1732). There's a question been raised on the talkpage about the date of the AO to have a replacement ship built, and the time of Centurion's arrival back in Britain. The current information seems to be correct according to your book, but I wonder if you would be able to confirm this, and check the interpretation of it in the article. It's entirely possible that I've interpreted the information incorrectly. Much obliged, and best wishes, Benea (talk) 10:23, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Ben, the details in the book are correct, in that the order for the replacement was placed on 10 April 1744, before the Centurion returned from her epic voyage, and certainly before the Navy Board were aware of her condition. The old ship was surveyed after her return, and was in fact found to be worthwhile repairing, so a fresh order was issued on 1 December 1744 to repair her, but as her structure was certainly too weak to continue to bear her original ordnance of 60 guns, she was to be reduced to 50 guns. As her intended replacement was planned to take her name over, the old ship was renamed Eagle on 15 December, but exactly a month later this decision was altered and the two vessels exchanged names, the old ship resuming the name of HMS Centurion and the new-building ship being renamed HMS Eagle.
You may be interested to know that I wrote (although it did not reach publication stage) a book on "The 60-gun Ship" equivalent to my previous volume on "The 50-Gun Ship"; the new book would have focused particularly on the Centurion in the same way as "The 50-Gun Ship" focused on the Leopard, so I made a particular study of Anson's ship.
There is one serious error in the Wiki-article, in that the launch date for the Centurion was 6 January 1733 (as correctly quoted in my book), not 1732. I think this is a consequence of someone reading an old text which did not account for the fact that until September 1752 the year ended on 24th March rather than 31st December. Can someone please change the heading and links!?
I shall post a copy of this exchange on the discussion page for HMS Centurion (1732). Meantime, a Happy Christmas to you (and other readers!). Rif Winfield (talk) 11:05, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the answer. And what about my first question ("Did Anson have Hadley's octant during his voyage around the world aboard the Centurion" ?. If somebody can add "français" in the left margin, just to show that the french article exists now, thanks a lot Arapaima (talk) 10:31, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Legacy

Done Marcel.kummer (talk) 20:21, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

At our visit at Shugborough Hall two years ago we have been shown the remains of a ships figurehead. It was a huge wooden paw, once part of a lion which formed the figurehead of HMS Centurion. As there is no chance for me to visit Shugborough Estate in the nearer future I will write to The National Trust to check. Does anybody know more about the figurehead relict? Marcel.kummer (talk) 11:49, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I got the following Information from the Staffordshire County Council who maintains Shugborough Estate on behalf of The National Trust:

Unfortunately exposure to the elements caused it to crumble to pieces. All that remained was a four-foot high lion’s paw which was eventually recognised as a piece of significant historical interest and returned to Shugborough during the 1920s.

I am sure that this would make a good addition to the existing article. However I am unsure how to refer to the source (in this case an e-mail message from the mentioned Council) correctly. Could anybody help me with this? Marcel.kummer (talk) 05:56, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Anna & Industry

The store ships were Anna & Industry, not Anna Pink. This is probably my mistake as I wrongly called Anna Anna Pink on the article the Wager Mutiny. a Pink is a type os vessel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oberon Houston (talk • contribs) 09:45, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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