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I do not understand the addition of this "Statistics" section

I have seen that a section called "Statistics" has been added to the article, but there are many problems with it. Firstly, the 2018 column has figures that are not in the source used. It is difficult to know whether the book used as a source for the 2010 column contains the figures it is supposed to contain (without the exact page it is difficult to check), but it is quite unlikely as such figures look inconsistent. Moreover, I do not understand the relevance of this table for the article: is there a context? Is there something in the article that requires it? It looks like user @Tweedle is the one who added it. Could you explain, please ? Eleventh1 (talk) 21:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should I just delete the "Statistics" section ? @Tweedle? Eleventh1 (talk) 20:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for not responding sooner, The statistics are on those with a nationality background who live in HLMs out of a total of their group. It would be nice if we could find stuff on the total number of HLMs etc. but I have just added what I have on me.

I am not sure what you mean by the 2018 column has figures that are not in the source, please let me know if the source is going to the wrong place, it should look like this (on a Google translated version). The statistics are again as what is described in above sentence

I can provide the figures for 1990 (you can obtain a copy of the book yourself via alternative means if needed), please see here, page 71.

I am not sure also what you mean by they look inconsistent, the percentages stay roughly the same over the 30 year time period for most of the groups bar like 3 which see, relatively, a good amount of increase or decrease. On context, I don't think any is needed? The previous section on history is already adequate to this I would have thought, but you can add stuff if you want. Tweedle (talk) 08:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your answer.

OK, I think I now understand the figures in the two columns. You're right : the numbers are indeed in the source, sorry for jumping to conclusions. It's just that I didn't understand what the percentage was being compared to. If I may say so, I don't think it's very clear yet.

If I could suggest some changes, I would add the line for the European Community (with an extra "/European Union") after Portugal, Spain and Italy rather than before, so as not to give the impression that the other European line is other than just Spain, Italy and Portugal. I think you should also mention that the percentage of households in HLMs is compared to the total number of permanent residents in each group.

I saw that the social housing stock in 1990 was about 4 million out of 22 million dwellings in France, which seems to indicate that higher figures than the ones in the tables, but that may be because there are other forms of social housing than HLM (I am not sure).

For the "Monthly rent over time in HLMs" table you have added, you should also mention that it is an average. Eleventh1 (talk) 14:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done, have added these changes in (apart from the 4 mil HLM figure, if you can find where that was I can check but I imagine it may be some other form of the social housing as you said, to be fair the report in the table comes from a group which has done a fair amount on HLM statistics). I'll likely add some more stuff in tommorow on the proportion of dwellings which are HLMs by region over time but at the moment it looks good as it is. Tweedle (talk) 19:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]