Talk:György Kolonics

Minor editing detail

Earlier today, June 15, 2008, the sentence that at the moment ends, "...who was also being considered to carry the Hungarian flag at the opening ceremony" was originally written without the word "being" so that it read, "...who was also considered to carry the Hungarian flag at the opening ceremony."

The original, "who was also considered" is in the past tense, passive voice, meaning that Kolonics had at some point been considered for the flag bearer honor and that the considering had come to a conclusion (probably sometime before Kolonics' death). The expanded phrase, "who was also being considered", is in the past continuous tense, passive voice, indicating that the considering was still on-going (at the time of Kolonics' death). I understand why a native speaker of English would want to add the "being", the sentence seems to want it, but the original (without the "being") is perfectly correct grammatically - and perhaps factually. None of the references provided indicate whether the Hungarian Olympic Committee has or has not (or had or had not) come to a conclusion as to who will carry the Hungarian flag.

I know it's a small thing in light of today's events, but the two quoted sentence fragments do not mean the same thing and, in the absence of a reference indicating that the Hungarian Olympic Committee is still considering who to name as its flag bearer, should not have had the "being" inserted. --Blake the bookbinder (talk) 00:33, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

The grammar is of peripheral interest

The grammar is of peripheral interest. But what is absolutely vital is the death of hundreds of athletes worldwide. I am not in the least sorry for the deaths of drug abusing idiots who snort cocaine or take ecstasy or other stimulant garbage and then go to meet their Maker, that's what they were were asking for and got. Tough. I am concerned about healthy young men and women? they seem to be mainly all men except an Austrian ex Olympic champion later a minister who died while exercising not in her sport and decades after her sport carreer. So that is not really in the same category. By the way the category of MYOCARDIAL INFARCTION is wrong. The correct categories are, sudden death, cardiac arrest not the same thing at all, sudden death in young male athletes, sudden death or cardiac arrest in athletes, sudden death in athletes during training or competition or immediately after. The precision is indicated because although it is possible that some of these athletic deaths were due to myocardial infarction the vast majority werent. If they die of MI big deal they had severe heart disease, that is atherosclerosis of coronary arteries. In this syndrome, syndrome is when we dont know what the hell we are talking about we have only observations and theories, in this syndrome the idea is that perfectly healthy young athletes drop dead during or after maximal exertion.

On a simplistic level they have trained too long too hard or too fast. So they die.

But the theories are that an arrhythmia is set up which degenerates into V Fib and Asystole cardiac arrest and death. Predisposing factors are cardiac myopathy, hypertrophic obstructive myopathy, this being an overgrowth an overdevelopment of the myocardium heart muscle which is so excessive that it actually obstructs blood flow. There is a problem here during extreme exercise such as cross country ski running fifty Km non stop say the heart actually dilates so the excess heart muscle should get out of the way of the blood and actually enlarge or dilate the LV left ventricle. So how could it obstruct if it is not at rest but grossly dilated? They die anyway soccer players basketball hockey football players athletes canoeists bicyclists XC skiers marathon runners. Only the old or retired may die of MI the young 2O year olds ot teenagers of arrhythmia of some sort. In females long QT interval supposed to be a cause but I have never heard of any but have of hundreds of male athletic deaths. The other extremely worrisome but ultimately promising feature of Kolonics's death is that he was 36 ie too old for maximal exertion and he had numerous episodes of feeling unwell after an extreme exertion training exercise routine. So the writing was on the wall, hey wake up you are ill after maximal exertion. Something is wrong. He did consult MDs we dont know with what result. He apparently was found to be healthy and reassured. In retrospect erroneously. Did he have an EKG a stress test an echocardiogram a stress echocardiogram? Were these adequate and were these correctly interpreted? We dont know. Obviously an elite world champion and Olympic champion several times over must have had the maximal testing available. What I listed is the absolute minimum. If these werent done his medical care was substandard inadequate incompetent. EKG ECHO stress test. Holter monitor while exercising as well. That would have picked up lethal arrhythmias during and after exercise.