Talk:Guyana (disambiguation)

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According to the article the Guyanas or Guianas refers only to the three non-Iberian territories, which seems to be a common usage, but according to Conceptualisation and History of the Guianas:

The ‘Guianas’ is the name or term that applies collectively to that vast area that stretches “between the Amazon and the Orinoco rivers in northern South America...

I looked up this Wikipedia article for information about "Spanish Guiana" after hearing about the new Flag of Venezuela, which adds a eighth star for the former Spanish colonial province of Guayana. According to the flag article, it seems to be "roughly coterminous with the present" Bolívar State, and also formerly included parts of modern Guyana west of the Essequibo River, although it is also listed as one of the administrative regions of Venezuela including also the states of Amazonas and Delta Amacuro, in other words, all of Venezuela southwest of the Orinoco. It would also presumably include those disputed parts of Guyana west of the Essequibo. I have also seen it referred to as "Venezuelan Guiana".

There was also a Portuguese Guiana, now Brazilian Guiana, which, from what I can gather, applies to the part of Brazil north of the Amazon and east of the Rio Negro.

Although most references seem to include only three Guianas, I have found several other references in which the term includes the other two Guianas, so perhaps something should be added to the article, stating that at least sometimes "the Guyanas" includes them, or used to, and perhaps some of the other information mentioned in the above link. --Nike 11:49, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good call, Nike. But how about merging the two articles? They both refer to each other, and both are about a region in South America. // Big Adamsky • BA's talk page 12:38, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I assume you mean the Guiana article, which is not referred to in this one, although I see in the history that it originally was, when this article was a disambiguation page. Anyway, I have no objection, although I'm unclear on the exact distinction between Guiana and the Guyanas. I already updated this article with the information that I originally came here to find. --Nike 13:00, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I did mean that article. My assumption is that the one in the plural refers to the three entities between Brazil and Venezuela, whereas the the other name in the singualr, simply refers to the wider region. Saying "the Guianas" sounds like "the Koreas", "the Americas" or "the Congos" to me. // Big Adamsky • BA's talk page 14:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know, they could stand to be merged. "Guyana" or "The Guyanas" is just the English way of trying to spell the sound of "Guiana" which the indigenous peoples said means the "Land of many waters". The Dutch heard them pronounce-it and they thought it would best be spelled "Guiana" the British heard it and did so as "Guyana" and the Spanish "Guayana". But Guiana is what the majority of the states were called. Guyana was "British Guiana" after the British seized the 3 dutch colonies of: 1)Essequibo, 2)Berbice, and 3) Demerara. Suriname was either Surinam/Netherlands Guiana/Dutch Guiana and the French side still has Guiana in their name. CaribDigita 22:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that there are five Guianas:

Spanish => Venezuelan Guayana
British => Guyana
Dutch => Suriname
French => La Guyane
Portuguese => Brazilain Guiana (Amapá, et al.)

The Iberian colonies became parts of larger countries, which is why they no longer appear on maps as separate entities. --Nike 21:35, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Guyana" or "Guiana"

This page was moved from Guyanas to Guyana (disambiguation). I propose that it should be renamed Guiana (disambiguation).

As can be seen from the article, "Guyana" spelled with a y really only refers to Guyana, formerly British Guiana (with an i). The others are former Dutch Guiana, Brazilian Guiana, French Guiana or "Guyane" and the Venezuelan area of "Guayana", with an extra a. I would suggest that the disambiguation page should be Guiana (disambiguation) and Guyanas should be renamed Guianas, as it is the form with the "i" which has multiple uses, the form with "Guy" only refers to Guyana.

Camillus 15:41, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, Guiana would be a better name for the DAB than Guyana (disambiguation). I've just moved Guyana from the head into the list, because it's not the default for Guiana or Guayana. jnestorius^(talk) 20:15, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of name

Were these American nations named after the French province? What about the African country? Drutt (talk) 09:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is from the Amerindian for "Land of Many Waters". But the Spanish, Dutch, English, French and Portuguese spelled it as close as they could to the way the Amerindian's pronounced it.www.gina.gov.gy/natprofile/gnprof.html guyana.org/history.html

I.E.

Brazilian Guiana (Extremely northern Brazil)
British Guiana (Guyana)
Dutch Guiana (Suriname)
French Guiana
"Spanish" Guayana

ohh. Also forgot Guiana Shield -- CaribDigita (talk) 02:24, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

About last reorganization

I don't get why "Brazilian Guiana", a former region, remains in the main part of the article, while "French Guiana", a current overseas department, gets moved to See also. The same for the "Guiana Shield" remaining and the "Guiana Space Center" at see also, or the "Guiana Islands". Please someone explain to me the criteria for this divisions. Thanks. --IANVS (talk | cont) 18:47, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved after cleaning left the contents of the dab less tilted in favor of Guiana -- JHunterJ (talk) 00:04, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Guyana (disambiguation) → Guiana – Most listed items are more usually "Guiana" than "Guyana", as reflected by their respective article names. Guiana already redirects to Guyana (disambiguation). jnestorius^(talk) 14:45, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment this should be called Guiana (disambiguation), while Guiana should redirect to French Guiana, frequently mentioned in space news. 65.92.183.144 (talk) 03:09, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- No. Special:Whatlinkshere/Guiana does not support the claim that "Guiana" usually refers to French Guiana. jnestorius^(talk) 09:33, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - No. Since "Guiana" is a disambiguation page redirect, nothing should link to it except for disambiguation purposes, so anything that links to the page currently has no use in determining the meaning of "Guiana". There are bots that tag mistaken links to disambiguation, with {{Disambiguation needed}}, and people that go and correct them. -- 70.24.248.211 (talk) 06:32, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – that dab page was pretty messy and far from MOS:DAB. I cleaned it up substantially, including removing many entries that were only partial title matches. ENeville (talk) 21:39, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.