Talk:Gustavo Gutiérrez/Archive 1

Archive 1

Dissident?

This article is in the category Category:Dissident Catholic theologians but contains no details of how and when he was disciplined by the Church. Anyone TSP 15:36, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Classification as a stub, and need for improvement

Gutierrez is, without doubt, one of the most important theologians of the 20th century, and this article gives only basic information (see the article on Leonardo Boff for comparison). Regardless of what one may think of his method (with which I personally disagree), this article must be expanded, and is only a basic introduction as it is. Thus, I have marked this with a stub designation, and applaud the idea of placing material from the Spanish version here, although I am not qualified to either translate it, or critique such a project. Anyone? Robert Johnson 04:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 16:36, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Paragraph removed

The following paragraph was removed from the "Major Publications" section for reasons that are hopefully self-evident.

• Finally, his entrance to the Dominican Order stirred controversy and was seen as a sell out on behalf of Mr. Gutierrez since the Dominican friars are overwhelmingly racist in the United States and other countries, or many times prefer the wealthy over the poor. They discriminate through tactical requirements for admittance to their community. For example, requiring their aspirants a B.A. or M.A. in the U.S. Requirement that is only possible to the wealthy and Anglo people." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.65.4.103 (talk) 20:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Language Problem

I think there is a significant language problem in this sentence: "A Theology of Liberation: History, Politics, Salvation was reviewed directly by then-Cardinal Ratzinger and found to contain ideas which, in the view of conservative Catholics, were disturbing." The use of "conservative Catholics" seems a bit odd here. I don't understand what the author of the sentence is trying to convey. Clearly the CDF has condemned many ideas from Gutierrez. Is this who the author means by "conservative Catholics?" I think the use of this term is not very helpful, especially considering there are "liberal Catholics" who find profound problems with Gutierrez's theology. Lborchardt (talk) 01:51, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Use of the label "conservative" seriously ambiguous

I concur with the "language problem" observation. A cursory reading of Cardinal Ratzinger's Libertatis nuntius and of the late Pope John Paul II social writings clearly demonstrate that "conservative Catholics" do not shy away from embracing "liberationism" while standing firmly on the Social Teaching of the Church. Clearly, much of the Church's Social Teaching cannot be termed "conservative" and because of it, the term "conservative" becomes seriously ambiguous. I suggest the offending line "conservative Catholics" be eliminated and those in authority who questioned Liberation Theology in whole or in part be mentioned by name: Pope John Paul II and the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger among many others. Let the reader judge if these notable churchmen really fit the conservative mould across the full spectrum of modern social issues.--Teófilo de Jesús (talk) 23:54, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

POV

Removed '(largely because poor people were seen as potential leftist rebels)' in dicussion of targetting of liberation theologians as linked to leftist groups - this strays into POV away from encyclopaedic writing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Millichip (talk • contribs) 16:39, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

However, along that line, the article fails to mention the promoters of L. T., including Catholic priests, within Central America that agitated for and justified violent overthrow of repressive regimes there - a stand the Vatican kept at arms distance - finally accepting L.T. in all particulars except the resort to violent means to achieve their ends. The current pope reiterated the latter position. 76.88.1.215 (talk) 07:37, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

English vs. Spanish article

This was discussed earlier but I found the Spanish version of the article to go into far more detail about Gutiérrez as a historical figure. The English version generally discusses liberation theology, which - despite being one of his most important contributions to political and religious philosophy - has its own elaborately detailed page mentioning Gutiérrez's importance to the concept over 30 times. I believe this article could benefit from discussing his background and the political, social, and economic conditions that influenced his philosophy. I have some sources below that I feel could benefit from these additions:

Cornell, George W. (6 August 1988). "Founder of liberation theology deals with acclaim and criticism". Lawrence Journal-World. Retrieved 1 September 2010.

This is already cited in the article, but it discusses Gutiérrez's influence and divisiveness within the international Catholic Church in ways that would benefit this article even further.

These are new articles that I feel would offer similar benefits.

Lee, Michael (2017) "Gustavo Gutiérrez" Christian Theologies of Salvation: A Comparative Introduction. NYU Press. Retrieved October 17, 2019

Lewis, Thomas (September 2005) Actions as the Ties That Bind: Love, Praxis, and Community in the Thought of Gustavo Gutiérrez," The Journal of Religious Ethics, vol. 33, no. 3, pp. 539-567 Retrieved October 17, 2019

Peña, Milagros (March 1994). "Liberation Theology in Peru: An Analysis of the Role of Intellectuals in Social Movements" Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion, vol. 33, no. 1, pp. 539-567. Retrieved October 15, 2019

Réamonn, Páraic (December 1973). "Liberating Theology: Gustavo Gutiérrez," New Blackfriars, vol. 54, no. 643, pp. 564-570, Retrieved on October 15 2019 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kvanhoutengudger21 (talk • contribs) 13:45, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Peer Feedback Good! I'd maybe think about how other liberation theologians of the Church received/expanded upon his ideas in other Latin American countries. - Tristan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tristan Donohoe (talk • contribs) 12:37, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Peer Feedback: Awesome! I agree with you about adding more information from the Spanish article. I suggest adding more to his early life especially about what influenced him to be a part of the catholic church. LizbethAcevedo21 (talk) 18:14, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Room for improvement?

The Spanish version of this article goes into a far greater depth - is there any chance of using material from that version, once translated, in here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.62.25.11 (talk) 23:40, 15 May 2006 (UTC)