Talk:Gurjar/Archive 4

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Seeking Consensus

Seeking Consensus for inclusion of branches and twigs of Gurjar ethnicity. In India, Gurjar is considered as a caste for reservation purposes. @Mkrestin @Chariotrider555 Wikieditor1008 (talk) 16:27, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Sorry. Not sure if the previous notification went through or not. @Ratnahastin @Shinjoya

Could you summarize the dispute please? Sorry, I've not been very active on Gurjar-related pages so I'm not sure. User:Utcursch has written quite a bit of this page and could probably give some input. Chariotrider555 (talk) 17:00, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

For example, Khatana, Bhadana, Kasana etc. like clans. Wikieditor1008 (talk) 17:01, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

In Relation with the Gurjara Pratihar and Rajput caste

According to one school of thought, Gurjara was the name of the territory (see Gurjara-desha) originally ruled by the Pratiharas; gradually, the term came to denote the people of this territory. An opposing theory is that Gurjara was the name of the tribe to which the dynasty belonged, and Pratihara was a clan of this tribe.

According to the Agnivansha legend given in the later manuscripts of Prithviraj Raso, the Pratiharas and three other Rajput dynasties originated from a sacrificial fire-pit (agnikunda) at Mount Abu. Wikieditor1008 (talk) 17:26, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Gurjar

Gurjar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.188.110.106 (talk) 12:03, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

The term Gurjara tribe or Gurjara region and then their link with Gurjar caste

The meaning of historical term Gurjara is quite controversial. See Origin of the Gurjara-Pratiharas, the two polar opposite theories are such, one is that Gurjara mentioned in historical sources was name of a region, the second one says it was name of a tribe (tribe not caste). So it is quite controversial as you can see on the aforementioned page and Gurjara-Pratihara dynasty page. Now even the historians who consider Gurjara as a tribe do not specifically say that Gurjar caste and Gurjara tribe are one and the same. Some Historian like B.N. Puri who although supported Gurjara as a tribe connotation, mentions that Gurjara tribe was not a single caste but the tribe was mixture of many castes, including Brahmin, Kshatriya and many Shudra castes. Here on this page, whole history related to Gurjara word is approproated specially history of Gurjara Pratihara dynasty, there is hardly any mention that Gurjara was considered as region by many historians and hence the history of that word can mean different thing. Even the historians who mentioned the word Gurjara as tribe and not as castes are freely used here without any mention that they did not say the modern Gurjar caste is descendants of those dynasties. Why this page about modern "Gurjar" caste has been filled with "Gurjara" tribe which is different thing altogether and furthermore who might also be just a region and not tribe. Hiensrt (talk) 13:58, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2022

There is no Sindhi language among Gujjars. 39.41.163.107 (talk) 22:55, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:50, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Genuine edits being reverted

I have given citations from gazetteers from government of India website. Then why my edits are being reverted ?? Is reliablity of some tanuja khotiyal more than a government gazetteer ? Why this hypocrisy ??? The truth$eeker (talk) 12:50, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Raj sources - such as the 1911 Gazetteer you keep referring to - are NOT considered reliable sources - Arjayay (talk) 13:04, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 February 2022

2409:4053:E91:CA00:0:0:4508:1A0D (talk) 09:12, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: as you have not requested a change.
Please request your change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 10:23, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Afghan Gujjar Population

There are an estimted 1.5 Million Gujjar in Afghanistan stated in a news article by Pajhwok. ″Reaching in numbers almost 1.5 million, Gujar tribe men and women live in parts of Kapisa, Baghlan, Balkh, Kunduz, Takhar, Badakhshan, Nuristan, Laghman, Nangarhar and Khost provinces.″ --77.183.49.49 (talk) 14:28, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

https://pajhwok.com/2021/01/04/govt-has-long-ignored-our-problems-needs-gujars/

Gurjar Pratiharas

2402:E280:230A:7F:F5E7:9D3B:775:A0BD (talk) 19:38, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

The Gurjara-Pratihara dynasty was an imperial power during the Late Classical period on the Indian subcontinent, that ruled much of Northern India from the mid-8th to the 11th century. They ruled first at Ujjain and later at Kannauj.

 Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 19:52, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Places named after Gurjar/Gujjar in Pakistan

DERA GHAZI KHAN DISTRICT THOKH GUJRI LAYYAH DISTRICT GUJRAT MUZAFFARGARH DISTRICT GUJARWALA RAJANPUR DISTRICT KOTLA GOJAR GUJAR WALI FAISALABAD DISTRICT CHAK 217/GB GUJJAR PIND CHAK 176/GB PALA GOJRA CHAK 168/GB SIRAJ GUJJRAN ZAIL GUJJRAN (14 CHAK GUJJRAN) JHANG DISTRICT Jat GUJJAR TOBA TEK SINGH DISTRICT GOJRA TEHSIL GUJRANWALA DISTRICT KOTLI GUJRAN GUJRAT DISTRICT GUJARPUR DHOK GUJRAN GUJJAR KOTLA KULEWAL GUJRAN

GUJRANWALI GUJAR KE MANDI BAHAUDDIN DISTRICT GOJRA NAROWAL DISTRICT MIRPUR GUJJRAN GUJAR WALI BHABRA GUJRAN BERA GUJRAN KHANPUR GUJRAN CHHANI GUJRAN DEHLA GUJRAN PAILA GUJRAN GUJAR TOOR HAJI PUR GUJRAN DARYA GUJRAN KOTLI GUJRAN BADALA GUJRAN NIKI GUJRAN JHOMIAN GUJRAN GUJRAT NADALA GUJRAN BALA GUJRAN BHERON CHAK GUJRAN TEHRA GUJRAN SIALKOT DISTRICT GUJARKE GOJRA GUJAR KALLA GUJAR GORAYA GUJRAL GUJRAN WALA KASUR DISTRICT

GURJKE LAHORE DISTRICT NAWAN PIND GUJRAN HANDU GUJAR QILA GUJAR SINGH WARRA GUJARAN OKARA DISTRICT GHOUS PUR GUJJRAN SHEIKHUPURA DISTRICT GUJAR PURA MAHMOON GUJAR KALA GUJAR KOTLI GUJRAN RATTA GUJRAN VEHARI DISTRICT GUJAR ATTOCK DISTRICT THATTI GUJRAN DHOK GUJAR CHAKWAL DISTRICT BHATTI GUJAR MOHRA GUJRAN PINDI GUJRAN JHELUM DISTRICT WARA GUJRAN GUJER PUR KALA GUJRAN THATHI GUJRAN GUJJAR GUJAR KATARIAN RAWALPINDI DISTRICT GUJAR KHAN TEHSIL GOJRA

MATUA GUJAR DHANGDEW GUJAR MAL JAND GUJAR GURAH GUJARAN PHAMRA GUJRAN KALA GUJRAN BHANGALI GUJAR ARAZI GUJRAL DHOK GUJRI BHADANA GUJRAN DANDI GUJRAN KHURAM GUJAR MIANWALI DISTRICT GUJRAN WALA GUJRAT KHUSHAB DISTRICT GUJRANWALA North Western Frontier Province (N. W. F. P.) D. I. KHAN DISTRICT GUJRAT ABBOTTABAD DISTRICT MASAH GUJRI GUJRI BAIN GUJRI HARIPUR DISTRICT PIND GUJRAN MOHRRA GUJAR KOHISTAN DISTRICT GUJJAR BANDA GUJARYBAKE GUJAR KHEL GUJAR BANDA GUJAR BANDA

MANSEHRA DISTRICT GUJRAN GUJRA GUJRAN DE GAL LOWER DIR DISTRICT GUJAR KALAI GUJAR ABAD UPPER DIR DISTRICT GUJARA KILI GUJAR LALA MALA-GUJAR MARDAN DISTRICT GUJRAT GUJAR GARHI Mohalla GUJARAN Bakhshali PESHAWAR DISTRICT CHOUHA GUJAR MIAN GUJAR SIN D PROVINCE KARACHI DISTRICT Mehmood Abad GUJAR CHOWK, Manzoor Colony Gujjar Nallah BADIN DISTRICT GUJRI LARKANA DISTRICT GUJHAR SANGHAR DISTRICT GUJRO GUJHERAN GUJHRO GUJRO BALUCHISTANPROVINCE AWARAN DISTRICT GUJARO KHUZDAR DISTRICT GUJAAR BOLAN DISTRICT GUJAR PISHIN DISTRICT GUJIR DERA BUGTI DISTRICT GUJRO ZHOB DISTRICT GURJE ZAI Mansoor chauhan (talk) 02:08, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Places named gurjar or gujjar in islamabad pakistan

Kangota Gujran DERA GUJARAN (SECTOR G-10) GOHRRA OF GUJARAN MARRI GUJAR, TALHARR Mansoor chauhan (talk) 02:12, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Places named after gurjar or gujjar in india

PUNJA B PROVINCE : AMRITSAR DISTRICT : LODHI GUJJAR KOTLA GUJARAN GUJARPURA GUJAR PURA FARIDKOT DISTRICT : GUJJAR FATEHGARH SAHIB DISTRICT : RAIPUR GUJJARAN BUD GUJJARAN, FIROZPUR DISTRICT : BEHAK GUJJARAN, BUH GUJJARAN, THE GUJJAR. THEH GUJJAR (BEGU), GURDASPUR DISTRICT TALWARA GUJJARAN SIMBLI GUJJARAN, LAHRI GUJJARAN, KOTLI GUJJARAN, JHANDA GUJJARAN, GUJARAT, GUJJAR PUR, CHANNI GUJJARAN, BHURIAN GUJJARAN AIMAN GUJJARAN HOSHIARPUR DISTRICT: GUJJAR PUR. GUJJAR, GUJAR KATRALA, GUJAR BASOYA RAIPUR GUJJARAN JIWANPUR GUJJARAN, CHAK GUJJARAN-1, CHAK GUJJARAN-2, BHULEWAL GUJJARAN BAGEWAL GUJJARAN, JALANDHAR DISTRICT : RAIPUR GUJJARAN, KAPURTHALA DISTRICT : MAND GUJJAR PUR, GUJJARATTAN, LUDHIANA DISTRICT : AGWAR GUJJARAN, BAUNKAR GUJJARAN, BHAINIGUJJARAN, FATEHGARH GUJJARAN GUJJARWAL GUJJARWAL BET, QUTABEWAL GUJJARAN, NAWANSHAHR DISTRICT GUJJAR PUR KHURD, GUJJAR PUR KALAN, ROPARR DISTRICT : BASI GUJJARAN, SANGPUR DISTRICT RAMPUR GUJJARAN, BADHOLI GUJJARAN, BIR KHERI GUJJARAN DUDHAN GUJJARAN, FARID PUR GUJJARAN. GUJARHERI, KHERI GUJJARAN, SASA GUJJARAN MUKTASAR DISTRICT : BURA GUJJAR, GUJARAT PROVINCE: SURAT DISTRICT : GUJJAR PUR, MEHSANA DISTRICT : GUJJARVADA HIMACHAL PRADESH (H.P.) PROVINCE : UNA DISTRICT : DHAR GUJJARAN, HARYANA PROVINCE: AMBALA DISTRICT : TALHERI GUJJARAN, BHIWANI DISTRICT: GUJARANI, FARIDABAD DISTRICT : KHERI GUJJARAN, NAGA GUJJARAN, TIKRIGUJJARAN, GURGAON DISTRICT : BAR GUJJARAN. GUJAR NAGLA, MUHAMMADPUR GUJJARAN, KATHAL DISTRICT: BUDHANPUR GUJJARAN, GARHI GUJJARAN, KURUKSHETRA DISTRICT KAKRALA GUJJARAN, MAHENDRAGARH DISTRICT : GUJJARWAS, PANI PAT DISTRICT: NUR PUR GUJJARAN, SIMLA GUJJARAN, BAWANA GUJJARAN REWARI DISTRICT BAWANA GUJJAR, GUJAR MAJRI, GUJARIWAS, LADHUWAS GUJJARAN, ROHTAK DISTRICT : KHERKA GUJJARAN, SONI PAT DISTRICT KHERI GUJJARAN, PANCHI GUJJARAN YAMUNA NAGAR DISTRICT : GARHI GUJJARAN HAL DARI GUJJARAN. Mansoor chauhan (talk) 02:15, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

In afghanistan

AFGHANISTAN: Gujarabad Gujaristan, Gujar pul (Kunnarr) Gujar (Fariab), etc. Mansoor chauhan (talk) 02:17, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Strength or population

How much Gurjar's are in India in different states. 2409:4052:2E22:2BEF:0:0:DE49:C702 (talk) 06:34, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2022

The photo is missing of gurjar sardars of rajpootana which earlier used to be there kindly put that picture back so that everyone can gain proper knowledge about this page, thankyou Verrrrr (talk) 20:13, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: It appears the image was removed by History quester after a consensus was reached at Talk:The People of India that the source of the image was unreliable (see: [1]). I'd suggest going to that venue to discuss the matter further. —Sirdog (talk) 01:25, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Nomadic profession.

I had added the nomadic tribe status in the article which has been getting consistently removed. The remover, @LukeEmily: has argued that the sources are talking about only J&K and rest are not into that profession. However, what I didn't mention that nomadic profession is followed by all Gujjars and it is the only profession. I mentioned it along with already mentioned pastoral and agricultural activities. This nomadic profession is followed by them in the whole Himalayan belt {Jammu and Kashmir, Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand (India), Azad Kashmir(Pakistan)}. (Reference: ). And, this region constitutes a large chunk of Gujjar population (source:), so can't be ignored. Hence, I urge to not remove my referenced articles. Regards. Iamritwikaryan (talk) 08:49, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Iamritwikaryan, I don't know who is consistently removing your content but I did remove it once here. There are several issues. 1)The main article - body and lead - already use the word nomads so why do we have to repeat it? Someone has already put a template that the lead is too big. 2)The article does not state that they are nomadic tribes in all places, hence you are generalizing some specific characteristics to the entire community. Even if the nomadic profession is followed in the entire Himalayan belt, what about the part of the community in other places? 3)I am not sure how reliable himachalwatcher.com, www.onmanorama.com and www.thehindu.com, indianexpress.com is for such analysis that a sociologist or anthropologist makes. Can you find better sources please?LukeEmily (talk) 13:06, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

LukeEmily Thanks for the reply, I really appreciate it. 1) I added the word nomadic in the sentence related to the profession. Regarding, lead being too long, we can concise it, for e.g. its last paragraph which can written in a better way concisely. 2) I nowhere mentioned that they are at present nomadic tribes in all places. I mentioned it along with other professions i.e. pastoralism and agriculture. Hence, it's not generalisation of the whole community, but mention of those residing in the Himalayan belt (which is a significant number) is necessary. 3) Malayala Manorama is second oldest Malayalam newspaper and has been getting published since 1888, it's readership is over 20 million. It's a reliable source of information, same applies for the Hindu which is a newspaper of record and second most circulated English-daily in India. They're definitely reliable. I'm providing alternative to Himachal Watcher newspaper, here, planning paper by Govt. of Himachal Pradesh:"Government of Himachal Pradesh" (PDF). Hope you will look into it. Regards. Iamritwikaryan (talk) 14:52, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi Iamritwikaryan, I agree that the newspapers may be legitimate, but are they reliable for history topics? I think it could be rephrased to specify locations, in which case it would not be a generalization. For example "The Gurjars in the Himalayan belt are a nomadic tribe". I am going to be off wikipedia from 1st June for some time(edit:postponed) but you can continue discussion with other editors.LukeEmily (talk) 20:54, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

@LukeEmily: Is everything alright ?? I see that you are editing regularly after 1 June as well, you made up your mind or the matter is resolved ? 2409:4051:2E80:9AFB:321:CFCC:F44E:ED6A (talk) 02:22, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

References

The matter is not resolved, she asks whether cited sources are reliable for "history" topics. I ain't adding any historical article but present article, also wiki pages don't cover history topics only, they're inclusive of all topics. I repeatedly informed her adding nomadic profession, doesn't mean it is followed by each and everyone, I'm adding it along with agriculture and pastoralism! Don't agriculture and pastoral activities generalise those who're involved in nomadicism? She's in denial unfortunately. Iamritwikaryan (talk) 20:10, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

@Iamritwikaryan:, I don't have objection if others are OK with it. But nomad is a life style not profession I think.LukeEmily (talk) 22:42, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a source of living, albeit I didn't use the word "profession" in the main article, it was used in talk section for making things simple. Since, you're OK with it I'm adding it in the main article, you may read it carefully and point out any error, in case you encounter. Regards Iamritwikaryan (talk) 02:35, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2022

Tarun Lohia (talk) 06:24, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

ACC to Indian’s Brahman Gurjars is a big community. Pathans come from Gurjar Tarun Lohia (talk) 06:26, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Kautilya3 (talk) 11:53, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2022

Please add truth.

Gurjar Dynasties According to a number of scholars, the Agnikula class were originally Gurjaras in which the Chauhans were a prominent clan of Gurjaras (or Gurjars) 2405:205:140B:E227:76F3:4E6C:924A:AA2E (talk) 20:24, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

The topic of this article is the modern day "Gurjar" caste, not the historical people that were called "Gurjaras". -- Kautilya3 (talk) 00:27, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done The sources you added beside from the fact are outdated Raj era sources (except Sharma whom I will come on later) which are not allowed in caste related articles also ain't stating what you claimed. Most of them are not historians either. e.g. Jervoise Athelstane Baines was a civil administrator. Jean Drèze is a economist and activist same goes with Amartya Sen another economist.

• At last coming to Dasharatha Sharma; this is half hearted quote which I never actually encountered in his Early Chauhan dynasties work either, this is from his book on Rajasthan. You clearly did not quote his very next line, where he rebutted this claims as outdated Raj era myths created due to mythical account of Chauhans being fire born.
• At last, I checked your editing history, Special:Contributions/2405:205:140B:E227:76F3:4E6C:924A:AA2E; unfortunately you disrupt a lot of other articles as well by using this archaic sources from activists.

Please use modern reliable sources (If you have any) to suppprt your content additions. Packer&Tracker «Talk» 00:28, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

References

Lead

The lead of the article mentions: "The historical role of Gurjars has been quite diverse in society, at one end they have been founder of several kingdoms, dynasties, and at the other end..." Is this section properly referenced/sourced? Since, this article speaks of Gujar as a caste, which several kingdoms, dynasties does the above mentioned phrase talk about? Iamritwikaryan (talk) 02:49, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: Can you please look into this. Iamritwikaryan (talk) 11:16, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

It looks like the work of an editor called Gurjaradesa way back in 2019. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:07, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: Thanks for responding, Shouldn't that unsourced/unreliable information be removed from the lead? Iamritwikaryan (talk) 09:42, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

A source was given in 2019: Shail Mayaram. It can be reinstated. Even though it is a newspaper op-ed, the author is an established academic who has published in peer-reviewed journals. So, this needs proper study, not blind deletion. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:49, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Alright, then the question arises which dynasty/ies was the author talking about. Iamritwikaryan (talk) 17:11, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Realted to Kashmir

Special mention of Kashmir is not needed. Name of Kashmir between countries is not much suitable. It should be like Gujjars are mainly found in India, Afghanistan, Pakistan. That's all. 2409:4050:EC6:8E80:2C22:FCBF:BA75:910F (talk) 10:25, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Kashmir is a important place where the Gujjar live. So to me I think adding Kashmir is fine due to the fact that Gurjars are a major group there, in both J&K and AJ&K. Muhafiz-e-Pakistan (talk) 22:58, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

The historical role of Gurjars has been quite diverse in society, at one end they have been founder of several kingdoms, dynasties, and at the other end, some are still nomads with no land of their own.[4]

This main why they are famous gujjar 103.39.118.92 (talk) 07:28, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

WHAT>??? Lemonaka (talk) 07:30, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2023

Gurjar nation might be the lords in past but people like shahid Waqar Gurjar transfer their entity to Chaudhary when their coal mine is working fine and when the mine is down they change their belongings to Gurjar. 154.192.48.16 (talk) 12:38, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:44, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

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Hindi

Gujjar clothes 178.248.114.49 (talk) 14:25, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Gurjara Brahmin

I found this from the phd done on Gurjara pratihara by B.N puri and i need you guys to add this in Gurjar Wikipedia too. Here the Gotra is Krisnatreya.

"A late record, dated in the Saka year 1172 (A.D. 1250), of the time of the Yadava king Krisna, and recovered from Tasgaon (Satara Dist.) records the construction of a divine temple of kalideva, and the dedication of a village by two brothers Candradeva and Kesava whose great-grandfather was a Gurjara Brahmana of the Krisna-treya kula (gotra) from northern India."

This is taken from The History Of Gurjara Pratihara By B.N puri, page no-4. Kvjr0604 (talk) 13:30, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Your research about Gujjar is incomplete

I have this question for you. You say that they do not have any land of their own All the mountainous areas in Pakistan, especially Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Kashmir Who owns it has been living here since an unknown date. And in Pakistan, Gujranwala, Gujarat, Gujjar Garhi, Gujjar Khan and so on, whose name is this . Gujarat is a state along the western coast of India. Its coastline of about 1,600 km is the longest in the country, most of which lies on the Kathiawar peninsula. Gujarat is the fifth-largest Indian state by area, covering some 196,024 km²; and the ninth-most populous state, with a population of 60.4 million. 2A00:F29:2A1:1522:C8A3:1C5B:9D54:B109 (talk) 14:49, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

An ethnic group?

Gurjars or Gujjars, in this article have been reffered to as an ethnic group. Gurjars are a widely spread tribe or community, nobody not a even a Gurjar regards him and others like him as part of the same ethnic group, rather a large community or tribe. They only regard themselves as an ethnic group on the basis of their homeland, culture and languages, which vary from place to place, meaning their culture is not the same. Therefore Gurjars should be regarded as a community or a large and diverse tribe, inhabiting South Asia. PeoplesRepublicOfChina01 (talk) 20:42, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Gojri or Gujari as "their" language

This article has a lot of problems and a big one is the claim that they (the Gurjars) have their own language, Gujari. Like in what sense? I do understand that Gujari is spoken by Gurjars only, but it does not mean that all Gurjars speak Gujari. No! Less than 1 percent of Gurjars speak or regard Gujari as their language. Gurjars are a large group of diverse people who are culturally, ethnolinguistically and geographically very different. A Gurjar from the Punjab regards himself as an ethnic or ethnolinguistic Punjabi and therefore regards Punjabi as his mother and native tongue, the question of Gujari doesn't even come close. Same goes for all other regions. I suggest an edit be made to fix this mistake immediately as its quite misleading in Ethnolingusitic context. PeoplesRepublicOfChina01 (talk) 20:48, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Gujjar 100 Above sub cast its mean paswool Bucha Gorsi Bajar Khatana Kasana Chuhan koli chechi 223.62.204.66 (talk) 18:43, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Chaudhry Rehmat Ali, who gave the name of Pakistan, was also a Gujjar 223.62.204.66 (talk) 18:46, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Gujjar

Maharaja Ranjit Sing was a Also Gujjar 223.62.204.66 (talk) 18:55, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Gujjars of Jammu and Kashmir

In India, Acc. to Tariq Ahmed Chowdhary from Ramban Jammu and Kashmir he say "Gujjars are mainly concentrated in the north, across the states of Jammu and Kashmir, Himachal Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh, Haryana, Madhya Pradesh, Uttarakhand, Delhi, Rajasthan, Gujarat and Maharashtra. Overall, they form 10 per cent of India's population. Acc to the sences of 2007 . 110.224.254.8 (talk) 13:18, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 December 2023

Please make amendments in the history section:-

1) in the origin section - The history written is about the Rajputs and not Gujjars.

Please include theories of origin of Gujjars and not Rajputs.

2) Not even a single paragraph writes about the origin of Gujjars. This page is about Gujjars then please include their origin and not about the Rajputs. Abhimanyu200 (talk) 18:43, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Furthermore, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 18:49, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Punjabi Gurjar into Gurjar

This is a WP:CFORK. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:24, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

I oppose. The Gurjar article describes the heterogeneous group of tribes or clans (tribal confederation) spread throughout South Asia. However, the Punjabi Gurjar article is about the Gurjars organised a Punjabi tribe, instead of being about the loose diverse group of clans.

This is not a case of Wikipedia:Content forks. The Punjabi Gurjar article is just like an article about any tribe and articles about its clans, that are linked together. These two are connected, but do not have the same scope.

I undid User:UtherSRG's edit of Punjabi Gurjar, as his decision was authoritatively unilateral without any discussion. Something that Wikipedia discourages. Scheditia (talk) 15:33, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Scheditia Has been indef blocked as a sock. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:41, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 January 2024

Punjab In Punjab, the Gujjars have a significant presence and have contributed to the cultural, social, and economic fabric of the region. This section provides an overview of the Gujjars in Punjab, highlighting their history, demographics, language, culture, and contributions.

The Punjabi Gujjars form a sizeable community in Punjab, with significant populations found in various districts across the state. While exact figures may vary, the community is estimated to consist of several million individuals. Gujjars in Punjab practice various professions, including agriculture, livestock rearing, and business. 173.206.136.121 (talk) 04:07, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 17:09, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

It is Gujjar not Gurjar

There is no such thing as Gurjar, in Pakistan, Kashmir and Afghanistan people only call these people "Gujjar" and nothing else and calling them "Gurjar" is highly insulting and offensive for Gujjars belonging to Pakistan, Kashmir and Afghanistan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.3.57.245 (talk) 21:23, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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Change some have no land of their own as this has nothing to do with the caste most people don’t have land of their own lol 2A02:C7C:6019:8500:7D84:9E4A:152D:1AB (talk) 03:35, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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Gujjars

gujjars derive their name from the sanskrit ward gujjara they we're once dominant in western 2409:4085:8391:6E65:1B9F:37DD:CC22:7903 (talk) 01:41, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

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2409:4085:8583:6F2E:0:0:2A75:D0B0 (talk) 10:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Scholar K.M. Munshi theorizes that the Gurjars are descended from the Yadavas and a clan of Gurjars calls itself Nandvanshi.

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Vedic Kurmi Kshatriya community these are alternative names of Kurmi Patel sahab777 (talk) 16:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC) ᴘᴀᴛᴇʟ,ᴘᴀᴛɪʟ, ᴘᴀᴛɪᴅᴀʀ, ᴍᴀʀᴀᴛʜᴀ, ᴋᴜʀᴍɪ,ᴋᴜɴʙɪ,ᴋᴀɴʙɪ,ᴋᴀʟʙɪ, ᴀɴᴊᴀɴᴀᴘᴀᴛᴇʟ,ᴅᴀɴɢɪ GUJJAR these is a smart of Kurmi Kshatriya छत्रपतिशिवाजी ,नागभट्टप्रतिहार,चालुक्य*राजचोलम*सरदारपटेल*संभाजीमहाराज this is ancestors of Kurmi Kshatriya community Patel

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Remove Bhadanaka from See Also

As there is no citation or authentic reference on bhadanaka about relation with gurjars HistorianV (talk) 16:38, 3 August 2024 (UTC)