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In this article "Teslaphiles" hit again by hiding the sheer truth which is: ONLY MARCONI IS THE INVENTOR OF THE RADIO !!

Tesla's supporters have been able to kill the history of science also in this occasion!!! What can we deduce from this crap article ???? So If we'd imagine all the protagonists of the radio invention parading in paradise (or hell, who knows it...),God seeing Marconi would ask: and who is that guy? The answer would be: Oh just an italian door to door seller fraudster who commercialized tha radio !!!This is what I deduce from this article. ARE YOU CRAZY ???? If you want to delegitimate someone you could do it in a better and less ridiculous way.

1) Marconi's law H=square(D) is the law on which is based every radio apparatus (not bad for a door to door seller). The genius Tesla didn't produce any formula, theorem, law...nothing of nothing in any field !!

That is actually wrong, as it should be expected from an uneducated person like you.

Tesla was stripped of many recognitions because he was not interested in money and profit. In a brutal imperialist capitalism that is a big no-no. so his work was largely ignored.

Dr. Tesla, the genius as you too correctly realise, had invented just about everything around you. One example is superconductors. Did you (a rethorical question. We all know you didn't.) know that he patented superconductors, method of producing them, method of isolating them, AND wrote the papers on theory of superconducting (which was only confirmed in 1970')?

Did you know that Dr. Nikola Tesla had invented and patented fluorescent light?

Did you know that Dr. Nikola Tesla had demonstrated scientifically and academically, that Hertz theory was WRONG?

Did you know that Dr. Nikola Tesla is one of a few doctors of science? A title that you receive for your scientific work and achievements?

Did you know that Edison and Marconi did not even complete secondary education?

What else did you NOT know and still dared to comment about?

A hint: everything. Another hint: Dr. Tesla was not primarily concerned with application of his wireless transmission for radios. He discovered the principles and explained them He also discovered a better way of transmitting the radio signal, but we are still a long way off understanding and using this method. Read his patents, you may learn something.

No doubt Marconi was a relatively successful merchant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.213.162.163 (talk) 11:22, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

2) In the Tesla's system the primary winding was made up of a few turn of a tick wire while the secondary was composed of milion of coil of a thin wire. In the Marconi apparatus the primary was composed of the number of turns capable to define with the condenser the right wave lenght, while the secondary was made up of few turns in order to get in accordance with the radiation resistance of the antenna. Without these expedients the low antenna's efficiency would have become so low not allow any long distance comunication(not bad for a door to door seller). In the Tesla's patents nothing similar exist !!!!!!
3) Marconi's antenna could change wave lenghts just by adding inductances, only Marconi's vertical antenna could do it!! (not bad for a door to door seller).
4)Marconi apparatus allowed the receiver to switch into transmitter and viceversa, it could work in duplex. (not bad for a door to door seller.)
5) The experiences of other researchers (Lodge, Righi, Bose, Tesla..)were well known to the scientific comunity, yet their power transmission were limited to the laboratory's walls and none of them was ever hailed by their contemporary as "inventor of radio" !!!
None of them received comments like:
"...The first time radiotelegraphy happened was when Marconi connected his receiver wire and his transmitter wire to the ground and generated a sparkle. This was the first radiotelegraphic wave and not an hertzian wave. If we should call it we could name it Marconi's wave...." by Michael Pupin one of the greatest scientist of that time.
"...... Only a few inventions are completely new and the wireless transmission is one of that. Marconi not only gave it to us but he also lived with it and developed it...."
by Charles Steinmetz, the greatest electrical engineer of that time (working togheter with Tesla).
"..Guglielmo Marconi le pere de la radio...."
Popov, russian scientist, one of other contender in the invention of the radio.
7) Saying that Marconi had some predecessors (Dolbear, Loomis, Stubblefield, Tesla, Lodge, Popov...) in the wireless invention is completely wrong.They all tried without achieving any practical results. Marconi apparatus is a completely brand new technology and only Marconi got the following results:
1895- With his receiver he could reach 2500 m
1896- He could sent messages crossing an hill (1200m height) put as obstacle and reaching 3500 m distance.
1897-He could surpass earth curvature, the ionospheric one in 1899 and tropospheric 5 years before his death.
(not bad for a door to door seller). Could the genius Tesla did something similar??
8)Between 1895 and 1899, Tesla claimed (the greatest claimer in the history of science !!!!)to have received wireless signals transmitted over long distances, there is no independent evidence to support it !!!!
9) All the radio apparatus followed Marconi's system after 1896, none reproduced Tesla's system (which never existed). Other attempts to follow different technologies failed miserably !!!
10) Only Marconi deserved the Nobel since Braun started getting interested in wireless only in 1898.
11)The US 1943 sentences about the 7777 patent never stated that Tesla or others was the inventor of the radio, indeed it confirms the Marconi's paternity on the invention !!!!!!!

The conclusions are:: Marconi created the only engineering system capable to comunicate at long distance. HE IS THE ONLY INVENTOR OF THE RADIO !!!!!!!! You show Marconi just as sleazy bussinesman fraudster just capable to tell the rate cost of a radio apparatus to customers around the world. It is a shame that people by digiting "radio" on google run accross this crap article. sometimes I think that wikipedia should be closed and some of his authors persecuted !!! 151.50.35.77 (talk) 11:22, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


Oh, another marconiphile trying to hit hard... Give it a rest child. Tesla is the real inventor, and that is the fact confirmed by the US Supreme Court. The Court had no interes in either man being declared the first. Their only interest was in determining who was the FIRST.

And the FIRST was TESLA.

By, bye child. You lose. Just like marconi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.213.162.163 (talk) 11:11, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Please take your Tesla/Marconi dispute elsewhere. Martin Hogbin (talk) 10:09, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Needs editing?

The "Wireless sound transmission" section is in drastic need of editing. After the first two sentences it talks about Marconi's fascist involvement, and contains poor grammar, capitalization, and questionable facts and point of view in the sentences "He has other allegations too against him.The works that he submitted as his own are ditto copies of the renowned but unfortunate scientist from India Sir Jagadish Chandra Bose. He prior to marconi first demonstrated the world how radio waves can be used to pass on sound and first used semiconductor junction for it."


The section on Tributes, specifically referring to "Jefferson Starship" needs to be corrected to "Starship", since Jefferson Starship refers only to the pre-1980s version of the band; Starship, and not Jefferson Starship, payed tribute to Marconi in the song "We Built This City". Socpsn (talk) 04:39, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

This is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Go ahead! Martin Hogbin (talk) 09:44, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Early experimental devices

Righi

This is what the cited source says about Righi: 'I did, however, attend one course of lectures on physics under the late Professor Rosa at Livorno, and I was, I think I might say, fairly well acquainted with the publications of that time dealing with scientific subjects including the works of Hertz, Branly, and Righi', and 'the transmitter being in this case a Righi oscillator'. No mention of a 'striking similarity' but an open acknowledgement.

Edit request on 5 April 2012

Marconi had a brother, Alfonso, and a stepbrother, Luigi.

Correction: Luigi is his half-brother.

Source: http://markpadfield.com/marconicalling/museum/html/people/people-i=19.html


Historicalfan (talk) 14:43, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Not done: That page does not mention Luigi. Celestra (talk) 20:55, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Ennoblement as Marchese

This article gives the year he was ennobled as 1924 - also year of his divorce with first wife - but the Italian language wiki article gives it, more precisely, as 17 June 1929. I will change the date in this article accordingly. I checked this date up to ascertain if his first wife was entitled to be called Marchesa Marconi - obvious answer No.Cloptonson (talk) 18:59, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Unclear

"Marconi wanted personally to introduce in 1931 the first radio broadcast of a Pope, Pius XI, announcing at the microphone: 'With the help of God, who places so many mysterious forces of nature at man's disposal, I have been able to prepare this instrument which will give to the faithful of the entire world the joy of listening to the voice of the Holy Father'."[37]

It says he wanted to introduce...Well, did he or didn't he? If he did, he didn't "want,' he did it.

Tesla

I have marked this article as NPOV due to a complete lack of mention of Nikola Tesla. The fact that Marconi "borrowed" heavily from the work of Tesla and others and that there has been serious dispute about who "invented" the radio absolutely need to be discussed in the article. Tad Lincoln (talk) 22:10, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

It is hard to understand why, among the most celebrated inventors, only Marconi should pay this heavy tribute to the people who had already worked on the same field. It is like disputing Wright's brothers priority on the invention of the first aircraft just because someone had already conceived the propeller and the internal combustion engine. All the inventions are the result of several contributors and also the radio does follow this rule. But was only Marconi who reached the "Holy Gral" of wireless communication. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magnagr (talk • contribs) 20:08, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

True. I agree with Magnagr. --2.33.180.185 (talk) 16:18, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Marconi's mother was SCOTTISH in origin.

Ann Jameson's ancestors were from Scotland: which is why her grandfather had the SCOTTISH (NOT IRISH!)name, Andrew Jameson, who was from Scotland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.78.254.144 (talk) 18:00, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

If you go back enough generations, there were no nations and the problem disappears again ;-) Anyway, maybe you could transform "Irish/Scots" into proper adjectives and wikilinks? — HHHIPPO 19:19, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

In which case we shouldn't bother with these categories at all; and if I had my way, I would have them all removed from wikipedia as ethnic definition is a scientific matter and therefore beyond the scope of those who chose to subjectively characterise an individual as essentially belonging to a particular ethnic group, as if all the other strains of his genetic make-up are of no consequence. The Irish are particularly guilty of this deeply offensive practice - which of course is tantamount to pure racism. And whenever I encounter such spurious claims or misrepresentations, I amend them where possible. As for Marconi, I only knew about his Scottish connections because they were mentioned in a book about Scotland's huge contributions to modern civilisation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.78.254.144 (talk) 18:21, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree that descriptions of ethnicity are not always important and can be problematic, in particular when people focus more on promoting or demoting a certain group then on a neutral description. However, I think that making generalizing statements about all members of a certain ethnic group (like The Irish are...) is not a very nice practice either. — HHHIPPO 21:29, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

True --Aries no Mur (talk) 12:22, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

think and grow rich - marconi locked up as crazy?

i believe that the book think and grow rich notes that marconi was locked in a "psychopathic" hospital by his "friends" who thought he was crazy when he claimed he invented radio. is there truth to this? other sources? if it is true it seems like quite a notable thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael Ten (talk • contribs) 07:06, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Religious date

On 12 June 1927 (religious 15 June) he married ...

What is this date discrepancy all about? Does it mean he had a civil wedding on 12 June and a church wedding on 15 June? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 12:09, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Lack of coherence, maybe article needs protection

The article opens with this claim: "It is a pretty much established fact that Marconi stole his work from Jagadish Chandra Bose from India, whose work was not accepted as India was under British rule at that time.It is known as Italian Navy Coherer Scandal[4]." which is pretty incoherent with other parts of the article stating that Marconi's first radio experiment was in 1893, while the external link (4) refers to a communication to the Royal Society in 1899. The claim - both for tone and incoherence with the rest - looks like the result of an editing war. So maybe the article should be revised and protected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.96.203.198 (talk) 09:17, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

So all reference to J C Bose removed from this article? 199.246.40.54 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 15:41, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Marconi is often credited as the inventor of radio

I see there is some argument as to whether the lead should contain , 'Marconi is often credited as the inventor of radio'.

Peackock phrases such as 'father of radio' are discouraged in WP but the above phrase is factual, rightly or wrongly Marconi is often credited as the inventor of radio. I am still not sure whether that means we should have it here without comment though. Martin Hogbin (talk) 10:00, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

There are plenty of sources, and I think it is justified to call him the "inventor of radio". At a time (1894) when more educated physicists, such as the "Maxwellians", thought of radio as a laboratory curiosity and didn't see any practical applications because they believed that radio waves were limited to line-of-sight, Marconi proved them wrong and almost singlehandedly developed practical communications systems. --ChetvornoTALK 21:34, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Article concentrates too much on honors and not enough on what he did

This article has its priorities confused; it spends a huge amount of space on all the honors Marconi received and things named after him, but almost none on what he actually did. There are pictures of "Marconi rock" and a plaque, but none of his actual radio apparatus??? Give me a break.--ChetvornoTALK 21:39, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Its a mess. Statements like "This was not a new idea—numerous investigators had been exploring wireless telegraph technologies for over 50 years" are more wrong than right - "radio" had only been known about for 6 years before Marconi started exploring it and as far as he could tell no one seemed to be pursuing it as a means of wireless telegraphy. A more up to date early history here could be used to expand this article and more detail about his "out of the lab" communication system can be added. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 22:38, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 July 2015

Would like to add an additional data item for: "Places and organizations named after Marconi" in the United States, State of Massachusetts 2602:30A:2EB1:14C0:79B1:C99C:165A:700E (talk) 03:50, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Question: Sure! What would you like to add? If possible, please provide a reliable source to verify your claim. Mz7 (talk) 07:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
...Hello? Are you still around? If you have something to add, please reopen this request by changing the parameter for the "edit semi-protected" template to "answered=no", and then mention your specific changes (in a "change X to Y" format) below. --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 23:35, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Murdoch Mysteries

In the tvseries Murdoch Mysteries , in season 7 episode 8 ("Republic of Murdoch") Marconi (played by Jason Card) breifly apperes near the end. Worth noting? Source: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/List_of_Murdoch_Mysteries_episodes#Season_7_.282013.E2.80.9314.29 http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5990588/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t18 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.226.236.13 (talk) 12:00, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

A trivial appearance would not be encyclopedic unless there is some secondary source that lumps this in with other instances as an example, see WP:IPC. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 14:42, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

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Known as "William Marconi" in the United States

It seems like Marconi used the English translation of his given name while in the United States. I think this should be included in in the lead, by inserting, "known as William Marconi while in the United States" after the Italian IPA pronunciation. Sources:

From Marconi's lifetime

https://books.google.com/books?id=ue0_AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA202&lpg=PA202&dq=%22William+Marconi%22+Radio&source=bl&ots=5-15j2l6Y-&sig=B8I6JPMp3dpGRTo_WN37h9mtpgQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj6vJPRrMHJAhUF5YMKHVEgATsQ6AEIZDAT#v=onepage&q=%22William%20Marconi%22%20Radio&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=VJ4EAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA111&lpg=PA111&dq=%22William+Marconi%22+Radio&source=bl&ots=f-p5stwZWr&sig=HV4vYrZAoiuugHmyIWHAOtgPt8I&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj6vJPRrMHJAhUF5YMKHVEgATsQ6AEIXDAQ#v=onepage&q=%22William%20Marconi%22%20Radio&f=false

http://earlyradiohistory.us/1899marc.htm

https://books.google.com/books?id=rYQ3AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA202&lpg=PA202&dq=%22William+Marconi%22+Radio&source=bl&ots=Br2xk1GlCS&sig=uOaYfkXFAiJBcCyFbd9be-wrGvE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjUuK3brMHJAhUxoYMKHdPlA4U4ChDoAQgyMAU#v=onepage&q=%22William%20Marconi%22%20Radio&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=MHw3AQAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA73&lpg=RA1-PA73&dq=%22William+Marconi%22+Radio&source=bl&ots=TYKty-n1TT&sig=uL0MRb3kvkfLucOIhilZOzJipHM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjUuK3brMHJAhUxoYMKHdPlA4U4ChDoAQg0MAY#v=onepage&q=%22William%20Marconi%22%20Radio&f=false

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//BHC_RTV/1930/01/01/BGT407150451/?v=1

https://books.google.com/books?id=VJY2AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA543&dq=%22william+marconi%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZ44_drsHJAhWK44MKHUZHATo4ChDoAQgzMAQ#v=onepage&q=%22william%20marconi%22&f=false

From the contemporary era

https://books.google.com/books?id=0TgqCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA48&lpg=PA48&dq=%22William+Marconi+Radio%22&source=bl&ots=8Etrs6HcDq&sig=4OAUyDZVwiY1B_G7wIRzQ0EiQto&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwil5P7MrMHJAhVBjIMKHfXGAHMQ6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=%22William%20Marconi%20Radio%22&f=false

Opinions? Bobby Martnen (talk) 04:28, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Since I am responsible for one revert of this I will weigh in. WP:RS recommends we "cite present scholarly consensus when available". These mostly Edwardian to pre WWII sources do not reflect present scholarly consensus, modern works unanimously call him "Guglielmo". The lead is for summarizing significant parts of the body of the article. I can not see how this would make it into the body, let alone be significant, unless you can cite several present day historians noting that it was significant that he was once called "William" (they have to make that observation, not us per WP:OR). Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:10, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
What someone was called in the English-language sources of their own time is very relevant, and does frequently make it into the lead, see Jakob Böhme (Jacob Behmen). And no, modern historians do not need to talk about how he was once called "William" in English, a claim that someone was called something different in older sources just needs to be cited to one or more of said older sources. Bobby Martnen (talk) 04:23, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
Jakob Böhme/Jacob Boehme/Jacob Behmen are variant spellings in the same language. "William" is not a variant spelling, its a translation between two languages, something Wikipedia does not cover in lead defs. The claim that he was called "William" in older sources is something you observed, i.e. its WP:OR. There is no dispute that it is there or that you saw it, the question is can you cite someone else who saw it and notes it as significant for some reason? Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:48, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
No. To say in the article, "Marconi was sometimes called William in English sources of the time", the only evidence that I need is English sources of the time that call him that. How about making it a footnote, like Joseph Pilsudski? Bobby Martnen (talk) 20:47, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

"Marconi was sometimes called William in English sources of the time" ---- according to who? You can't cite your observation of the use of a name and your observation of the current lack of a use of a name and generate that statement. How many times was he called Guglielmo pre WW2? How many times was he called William pre WW2? Was he called anything else more notable in American papers? I mean you could do that research to find out but.... its original research. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 21:15, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Google Ngrams shows that while calling Marconi "William" was never the most common practice in English, about 1/5 of the sources written about him in his own lifetime did so, and the practice faded by the late 1950s. Also, his daughter's book states that the British Patent Office referred to him as William Marconi. Bobby Martnen (talk) 04:05, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
You seem to keep missing the point. You want to insert the statement (boiled down) that says he was "Guglielmo Marconi aka William Marconi". You don't verify that statement via how many times you see the name "William" used - you verify it by citing several reliable sources that make the statement "he was Guglielmo Marconi aka William Marconi". Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 15:55, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Scots connection?

Why is Marconi's mother, Annie Jameson, referred to as "Irish/Scots"? The product of the family business, Jameson's, is an Irish whiskey – so where is the Scots connection? Or is this an incorrect way of saying "Irish Protestant" (as an American might refer to someone as "Ulster Scots")? Deipnosophista (talk) 16:09, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

It should come from published sources, and it seems that way[1].Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 20:12, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Trivia event horizon

The Places and organizations named after Marconi section has really reached a trivia event horizon. Its just one OR addition after another with no reference as to whether this list of every apartment block and back alley in the world named after Guglielmo Marconi has any encyclopedic relevance. I have trimmed the list back to items with articles (basic notability). Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 01:20, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

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Transatlantic contradiction?

I'm looking at this diff. I don't think this shows a contradiction:

On 17 December 1902, a transmission from the Marconi station in Glace Bay, Nova Scotia, Canada became the world's first radio message to cross the Atlantic from North America. In 1901, Marconi built a station near South Wellfleet, Massachusetts that sent a message of greetings on 18 January 1903 from United States President Theodore Roosevelt to King Edward VII of the United Kingdom marking the first transatlantic radio transmission originating in the United States.

Dilidor has hidden the text I've highlighted in olive, and added the note "the following clause has been hidden b/c it contradicts the previous sentence".

Where is the contradiction? We have the first transatlantic transmission from Canada in 1902 and the first transatlantic transmission from the United States in 1903.

While I disagree on whether there is a contradiction. I do agree that this text could be improved. Maybe "the first transatlantic transmission from the United States" isn't a particularly interesting record, given that Canada got there first, the year before. Perhaps the hidden text should just be removed anyway, just for not being worth mentioning.

Anyone got an opinion on this?

Yaris678 (talk) 13:27, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Doh! Thanks for clarifying. I missed the subtle distinction twixt Canada and US soil. However, as Yaris678 suggests, I don't think the clause adds anything; it's more significant, in my opinion, that the President was talking to the King. I would concur with Yaris and suggest deleting.
Dilidor (talk) 14:34, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
OK. I've deleted the text for now. Yaris678 (talk) 17:20, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Marconi at Salvan

In 2003, the IEEE awarded Marconi's work at Salvan an IEEE Milestone - it has now come to light that Marconi was never at Salvan and the Milestone was awarded in error. The IEEE has changed the text of the Milestone to most accurately reflect what occurred at Salvan. Unfortunately, this error has propagated itself through several areas of Wikipedia, in addition to the List of IEEE Milestones page, there is this page, and the page for Salvan on French Wikipedia, Salvan on German Wikipedia, Marconi's bio page on French Wikipedia, and Marconi's bio page on German Wikipedia. Maybe this isn't the right way to ask, but would be the best way to systematically correct all these errors, as well as any other references that may have creeped into the encyclopedia across different projects? I've only looked at references on English, German, French and Italian wikipedias, as those are the primary ones that seem to be affected by this, but translations of those articles could have made their way elsewhere. Is there a cross-project search feature or notification system? At the least, I wanted to raise the issue here before removing the reference to Salvan in this particular article, any assistance on where I can go to make the process a little more smooth and automated for the others would be most appreciated. PearlSt82 (talk) 17:49, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Marconi was a hero since early teens in the 50's. I obtained my Ham Radio Licence at age 16 1960 to experiment with Radio. In 1966 I took a job with Canadian Marconi Company in Montreal. 1968 I went to Vietnam for CMC as a tech rep for two years. Upon return to Montreal I transferred to the Marine Division and became a field engineer working on incoming ships. Later I would move to Newfoundland and continue this work, and visit Signal Hill. Later moved to the Marine Sales and Toronto became home. I ended up managing Marine sales for Quebec and Ontario but with work and contact with the other Marine Depots across Canada. Over the years I have obtained quite an extensive stamp collection of Marconi Stamps. Once at corporate office I admired a photo of Marconi that hung over the corporate doorway. I asked if it was possible to receive a copy. At that time I had moved to Tampa Florida to manage CMC distribution. I was surprised to find the original photo and frame in the post when I returned to Tampa. In the photo, signed by the photographer, it shows him looking down. He was hiding the fact that he had only one eye after losing an eye in a car accident in 1912.

Marconi: The Man Who Networked the World

Not being a Wiki expert writer I will attempt to display some images here and hope others will assist in using these if appropriate on the main Marconi Wikipedia page.

Marconi Portrait from Corporate Offices of CMC Montreal

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Marconi didn't invent wireless telegraphy, Tesla did

Proof: http://www.teslacollection.com/tesla_articles/1915/new_york_sun/edward_marshall/tesla_s_fight_on_marconi_up — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.116.181.185 (talk) 13:30, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Reliable secondary sources? Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 15:53, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
Tesla didn't invent radio as many other stuff he is credited for. Tesla till 1919 didn't even believe in the theories developed by Hertz and Maxwell which are the foundations and the framework of electrical and communication engineering. Radio technology worked perfectly even before the adoption of "Tesla coils", an improvement that Tesla never applied to the field of radio communication. Before Marconi none had thought to use radio waves as a mean of wireless communication. Marconi did it successfully and should get the right recognition he deserves.Magnagr (talk) 23:31, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia may depend on "reliable" sources, but what if that source itself is incorrect? Jagadish Chandra Bose actually invented the radio before Marconi, but by deception, Marconi took the credit for it. Sorry, I can't provide any "reliable" source for this. Polytope4D (talk) 05:06, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Your point is? Looks like Marconi started off at the bell-ringing stage that Bose was happy to give away, and got radio to the point that you could do non-trivial, non-lecture-hall demonstrations with it. --Wtshymanski (talk) 05:52, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

This discussion is off track. This article talk page is for discussing improvements to the article, not for general discussion of the article's topic.

Improvements to this article must be verifiable. If you wish to make substantial changes to this or any other article contrary to what independent reliable sources say about a topic, you will need to build more than a local consensus and will need to discuss changing WP:V (one of the five pillars of the project). That discussion is best started at WP:PUMP.

Until such time as WP:V is changed, if independent reliable sources agree that Marconi invented radio, wrote War and Peace and started a restaurant chain he named after his daughter, Wendy, Wikipedia should report all of those things. Yes, reliable sources are sometimes wrong. If Wikipedia existed prior to 200 BCE, it might have said the world is flat. Life is like that. Learn to adapt. - SummerPhDv2.0 18:05, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Some sources. I don't know if wikipedia considers them reliable: https://www.google.com/patents/US645576  ; https://www.google.com/patents/US649621  ; https://www.crossref.org/iPage?doi=10.1049%2Fir%3A19940312  ; Paul Brenner, Tesla Against Marconi: The Dispute for the Radio Patent Paternity, EUROCON 2009, St. Petersburg.; Christopher A. Harkins. Tesla, Marconi, And The Great Radio Controversy: Awarding Patent Damages Without Chilling A Defendant’s Incentive To Innovate. „Missouri Law Review”. 73, s. 746-816, 2008.; Tapan K. Sarkar: History of wireless. John Wiley & Sons, 2006, s. 93, 98 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.194.60.62 (talk) 10:28, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

The first two sources are patents. They are reliable, but they are primary sources. There really isn't much we can take from them, other than basic, |synthesis]]noncontroversial facts requiring no interpretation. So, Tesla held a patent on and "Apparatus for transmission of electrical energy". That doesn't shed any light on the situation, outside of original research and synthesis.
Unfortunately, I'm off intranet for a while, so I don't have library access and cannot see the third source. It's a bit out of my area, but if IEE Review is from IET, I would start with the assumption that it is reliable. - SummerPhDv2.0 15:39, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
This article is a good secondary source that sifts through the controversy. It comes to the conclusion that Tesla did not invent radio. PearlSt82 (talk) 15:55, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
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