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You think this is a stub, do you? OK, you do better. Adam 14:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reclass it as FA Class for all I care. Or check the assessment criteria. Andreas 14:25, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In his book "Stalin - The Court of The Red Tsar" Simon Sebag Motefiore reports tht Kulik was executed after being overheard by NKVD telephone eavesdroppers grumbling that politicians were stealing the credit from the generals during the so-called purge of the victors (page 563 in the paperback edition). The reasons for his destruction cannot therefore be regarded as unknown. on a different matter, aside from your(Adam's) inexplicable lapse in verifying the reason to Kulik's purge, I also believe the article to be terse and exhaustive, which frankly surprised me after reading your canonisation of that Charletanish propagandist Robert Conquest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.154.147.221 (talk • contribs)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 16:33, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1st Horse Army wasn't formed until 1919

Kulik must have commanded the artillery of some other formations, e.g, the 10th Army in 1918. 108.45.79.25 (talk) 22:04, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality (or the lack thereof)

The article includes statements like “It also did not help that Kulik personally despised tanks and armored vehicles altogether”. In “The Red Army and the Second World War” Alexander Hill directly contradicts this. When the article mentions Voroshilov shortly after it does seem to portray him in a much better/more neutral light. With statements like the one above and “His miserable performance resulted in him being replaced” being included in the article, with no explanation being provided on why he preformed that miserably, I don’t think it can be considered neutral. This is made worse by the near complete lack of citations in large parts of the article. I will delete some of the most POV statement (which aren’t supported by any source and are contradicted by my source on the subject) immediately. If you have a valid reason to want include them I will just copy-paste them back in. Dorromikhal (talk) 01:17, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted or edited the least neutral parts of the article. I would like for it for the rest of the article to be rewritten too. Before doing so I would like your opinion(s) on the matter. Dorromikhal (talk) 11:37, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is little good to say about Grigory Kulik as a military officer. Just because the article does not portray him in a neutral way does not mean that it is not being neutral. On Google Books is a description of Kulik's sycophant buffoonery in Roger Moorhouse's The Devil’s Alliance: Hitler's Pact with Stalin, 1939-1941 ( https://books.google.com/books?id=Nz_RAwAAQBAJ&pg=RA1-PT118&lpg=RA1-PT118&dq=grigory+kulik&source=bl&ots=XZUmXw2qWn&sig=GmMLCgsW8BHQUDmiGV_9q8jjIOU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiL_8-Ikp7NAhUBwmMKHXtCBgg4ChDoAQg-MAc#v=onepage&q=grigory%20kulik&f=false). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.131.120.184 (talk) 02:31, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Irrelevant. When unsourced information is found directly contradicting a reliable source it is unreliable. Even if there happens to be someone else who also dislikes the subject. He’d you actually read my comments you would have know that was the problem, next time either post something relevant or nothing at all. NatriumGedrogt (talk) 11:05, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kulik's ethnicity

Sources, including recent, authoritative ones, refer to Kulik as a Ukrainian. I have added those sources in Russian (for the benefit of a user who turned out to be a sockpuppeteer) and in English, but similar such sources can be found in Ukrainian as well. I do not believe his ethnicity is relevant to his fame (or infamy) so there's no need to stress it in the lead, but it's a good addition to the bio. If non-sockpuppets object, I'm open to discuss it. Ostalgia (talk) 22:32, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your personal lack of belief is not relevant. If it's properly sourced, it's in the article, and by your own admission it is properly sourced. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 19:40, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Considering I'm the person who restored it to the article, I have no idea what you're talking about. Ostalgia (talk) 20:24, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the article history I seem to understand what happened. You reverted a user and came here without even checking who the user was. The editor you reverted is a well known Ukrainian nationalist/Nazi sock who has been around for quite some time. I have re-reported him at ANI so he can be dealt with (worst case scenario we'll have to open yet another SPI case), but I recommend you do not engage with him and just wait until he is banned, otherwise he will come to your talk page to annoy you.

As a side note, all decent sources indicate that Kulik was ethnically Ukrainian and from an Orthodox background, not Jewish, and there are plenty of Slavic, Christian Kuliks/Kulyks. That is in fact the crux of the matter - given Kulik's less-than-stellar war performance as well as his overall dislikeable nature, our friend here is trying to "pin him on the Jews", so to speak. Cheers Ostalgia (talk) 20:45, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ostalgia, it is common knowledge that the surname "Kulik" is of Jewish origin, with far western nationals such as Marina Kulik, a Dutch painter, bearing it.

Just because a Ukrainian neo-Nazi was the first one to present this information within this article does not mean that the information is false, nor does it mean that anyone who acknowledges this fact is a racist. Aryan2617 (talk) 20:51, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I find it ironic and hilarious how you affiliate me with this ultranationalist from Galicia when I am literally an Aryan 😂. Aryan2617 (talk) 20:57, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked for WP:NOTHERE and is also a fairly obvious sockpuppet. Aryan2617, if you'd like to edit this article you need to log in as your main account and appeal your block first. -- Euryalus (talk) 21:16, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Katyn Massacre Section?

The section on this page about the Katyn massacre is really strange. It doesn't tell any coherent story unless you already know what the massare is and moreover doesn't reference Kulik at all. Perhaps it can be simply deleted? Unless someone can expand it to relate to Kulik? Parabellummatt (talk) 16:05, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]