Talk:Grief counseling

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Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : Some sources in-line please.
Copyedit : re-write introduction
Expand : The article is incomplete given years of research validating the method, with numerous books by Therese Rando for one, all can be cited in-line with a bit of thought.
Update : Add theory and practice
Verify : site sources which verify any of the information in the article
Wikify : reads like a popular magazine essay
Other : add information and citations about complicated mourning and traumaatic grief

--Ziji (talk email) 06:00, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just ahead of the speed of deletion

I have put the contested speedy deletion tag on the article since I lost the ~~School counseling~~ Student counseling article to that execution and thought to anticipate it here before it arrives.--Ziji (talk email) 02:51, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I guess that makes sense, but the system doesn't really work that way. I don't think anybody is going to try to get this article deleted anyway; please wait until someone does before you put the tag on. Also School counseling has never been deleted as far as I can tell...?P4k 02:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Woops sorry P4k - I meant Student counseling viz. User_talk:Ziji#Student_counseling. I imagined the system wouldn't work this way but I thought I'd give it a try.--Ziji

(talk email) 02:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The thing is, adding that template actually puts the article in Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion, which means an admin will have to look at it and decide whether to keep it or not; it's wasting administrators' time basically. Student counseling was deleted for being too short and lacking context, which won't happen here.P4k 03:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I will remove both templates. But note I had ony just started the Student counseliing article. Next time I checked it it had been deleted (about 24 hours later)--Ziji

(talk email) 03:18, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, articles are deleted very quickly sometimes, for better or for worse. BTW I'm amazed that Wikipedia didn't have an article about grief counseling up to now.P4k 03:21, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've just begun to fix the whole counseling area in wikipedia. Disciplinary counseling and the two counseling categories Counseling and Counselling were the other glaring omission I have begun to address. As you will note from the List of counseling topics I've created, there's more to do. If you can think of another counseling topics or an anomalie like Sidewalk counseling I would really appreciate your additions P4K--Ziji

(talk email) 03:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article Tone

Tone still needs improving. Reads like a bit of an essay to me --NeilN 04:30, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Patience Neil, I am going as fast as I can and now have to take a break. Work calls--Ziji

(talk email) 04:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Back after long absence. The article still needs heaps of work. I have nearly finished the C-PTSD article re-write and notice the traumatic grief or complicated grief section in this article needs attention. I think I will put the expert tag on this article to attract such a one.--Ziji

(talk email) 07:37, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Remove wikilink to sitcom?

Do we really need a link to a sit-com episode on a page about Grief Counseling? I love The Office and all, but it just seems like sort of an insensitive link that is not very useful....70.164.72.13 (talk) 15:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What's the difference?

Is there a difference between grief counseling and grief therapy? This needs to be more clearly articulated, with references! --Jcbutler (talk) 21:55, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added a citation to latest edition of J. William Worden's Grief Counseling text in the paragraph where this distinction is raised. This is a real difference, typically differentiated by grief counseling referring to support, paraprofessional counseling, and supportive psychotherapy in normal grief-related experiences. Grief therapy, on the other hand, refers to the psychotherapeutic techniques used specifically in dealing with varied kinds of complicated grief. --UnivProfWiki (talk) 15:31, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

complicated grief

This is normal, contrary to what some professionals say, see Therese Rando. It is hurtful to the grieving person to consider it as abnormal.--Bpell (talk) 04:42, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disputed

I've asked for the ticket:2010092610002101 complaint to be explained here. -- Jeandré, 2010-09-26t12:10z Although it may be hurtful to some to be considered abnormal in their response to grief, the point is actually, that response to grief is an individual reaction, therefore there can be no "normal" nor "abnormal" response. IamMsEve (talk) 17:43, 20 June 2011 (UTC) Ms Eve[reply]

Redirect "bereavement care" and "bereavement counselor" (which do not have articles) to this article?

Redirect "bereavement care," "bereavement counseling" and "bereavement counselor" (which do not have articles) to this article?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.167.61.119 (talk) 02:59, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Grief counseling theories and techniques are hetrogenous, and as yet unproven

Forte AL, Hill M, Pazder R, Feudtner C.

Bereavement care interventions: a systematic review.

BMC Palliat Care. 2004 Jul 26;3(1):3.

Source

Pediatric Advanced Care Team and Pediatric Generalist Research Group, Division of General Pediatrics, The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, PA, USA. feudtner@email.chop.edu Abstract BACKGROUND:

Despite abundant bereavement care options, consensus is lacking regarding optimal care for bereaved persons. METHODS:

We conducted a systematic review, searching MEDLINE, PsychINFO, CINAHL, EBMR, and other databases using the terms (bereaved or bereavement) and (grief) combined with (intervention or support or counselling or therapy) and (controlled or trial or design). We also searched citations in published reports for additional pertinent studies. Eligible studies had to evaluate whether the treatment of bereaved individuals reduced bereavement-related symptoms. Data from the studies was abstracted independently by two reviewers. RESULTS:

74 eligible studies evaluated diverse treatments designed to ameliorate a variety of outcomes associated with bereavement. Among studies utilizing a structured therapeutic relationship, eight featured pharmacotherapy (4 included an untreated control group), 39 featured support groups or counselling (23 included a control group), and 25 studies featured cognitive-behavioural, psychodynamic, psychoanalytical, or interpersonal therapies (17 included a control group). Seven studies employed systems-oriented interventions (all had control groups). Other than efficacy for pharmacological treatment of bereavement-related depression, we could identify no consistent pattern of treatment benefit among the other forms of interventions.

CONCLUSIONS:

Due to a paucity of reports on controlled clinical trails, no rigorous evidence-based recommendation regarding the treatment of bereaved persons is currently possible except for the pharmacologic treatment of depression. We postulate the following five factors as impeding scientific progress regarding bereavement care interventions: 1) excessive theoretical heterogeneity, 2) stultifying between-study variation, 3) inadequate reporting of intervention procedures, 4) few published replication studies, and 5) methodological flaws of study design.

PMID 15274744 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher] PMC 503393

Free PMC Article http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-684X/3/3 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/15274744/?tool=pubmed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ocdncntx (talk • contribs) 21:24, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

removing POV tag with no active discussion per Template:POV

I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:

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Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 21:54, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Grief vs Grief Counseling

This article effectively summarizes how counselors see grief, but there's little to no mention on the strategies and techniques used during grief counseling Brendenr1998 (talk) 21:04, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction

The first thing I noticed when reading this article is that the introduction's last sentence is way too long. The entire introduction could also be rewritten to better touch on the different topics that are talked about throughout the article as well. Dalpark (talk) 04:08, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]