Talk:Greek junta trials

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Did you know... that Stylianos Pattakos, a principal of the 21 April 1967 coup in Greece, after his conviction at the Greek junta trials, enjoyed amenities such as a pond with 21 goldfish while imprisoned?

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Not a fork

This article is not an unnecessary fork of the Greek military junta of 1967-1974. The details of the junta trial cannot be included in the junta article without bloating an already big article and seriously disrupting its flow. This is a brand new article. Please give me some time to develop it before tagging. Thank you. Dr.K. (talk) 15:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess this is what they call the School of Hard Knocks for editing. Dr.K. (talk) 02:07, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Wouldn't "Greek Junta trials (Korydallos)" be a more descriptive and precise title?--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 13:13, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would prefer "Greek Junta trials".--FocalPoint (talk) 13:23, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine with me--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 13:25, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. I'll do it. Thanks guys. Tasos. (Dr.K. (talk) 14:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC))[reply]

But it has to be "Greek military junta trials" to be consistent with the Greek military junta of 1967-1974. Dr.K. (talk) 14:54, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On second (third) thought, in Greece it is known as the trials of the Junta. Why make it longer? I suggest we leave it as is. Dr.K. (talk) 14:57, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Plus they are the only known junta (mass) trials to date, other than the Nuremberg trials. Dr.K. (talk) 15:10, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are probably right, but shouldn't there be at least redirections from all these title versions so as to facilitate readers searching for this specific topic? To be honest "Junta" strikes me as a rather generic term, but I wouldn't mind leaving it as it is. My original question aimed at further clarifying the scope of the article but I am afraid I might be creating unnecessary confusion--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 15:21, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

edit conflict: ::Hi Giorgo. Redirects, yes. I completely agree. I also liked your original title suggestion, but as soon as you start putting in qualifiers in the title it just becomes longer. Just look at the messy title of the original junta article Greek military junta of 1967-1974. Unfortunately, in Greece, we had an unfair share of juntas in our history and now we pay the price in Wikipedia having to put all these qualifiers in the titles of the junta related articles :D Dr.K. (talk) 16:08, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Add "Greek" please. This is probably the only junta trial you and I know about. This is not enough. Maybe there have been others, maybe there will be others. A title should not hide half the information.

Trial yes. Enough no.
Junta trial yes. Enough: Not for everybody (OK for Greeks).
Greek junta trial yes. Enough for a minimalist.
Greek military junta yes. Enough for consistency, enough for someone who knows nothing about the subject.

--FocalPoint (talk) 16:01, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Focal. Surely for consistency we must call it the "Greek military junta of 1967-1974 trials". This is not looking too good. Dr.K. (talk) 16:08, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I am moving it. --FocalPoint (talk) 20:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Focal, I hate arguing with friends, but didn't you see my comment above? Did I look happy with that ungainly "Greek military junta of 1967-1974 trials" title? Anyway I moved it to some middle ground. Dr.K. (talk) 20:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I did understand that something was not fully understood, sorry. I am OK with the current title.--FocalPoint (talk) 21:35, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No need to apologise. There was no problem at all. I apologise if my humourous reply above caused you any concern in any way. Take care. Dr.K. (talk) 21:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, what do you think about using "Greek junta trials"? That was your original proposal and it also matches Giorgos' proposal closely. I think the word "military", even though consistent with other naming, is largely redundant and makes the title long. Do you think we can make a final move there? Dr.K. (talk) 21:47, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I moved it to your first suggested title. I think it's ok now. At least we created the redirects, albeit the hard way. Dr.K. (talk) 23:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am very happy with the new title. Thank you Giorgos and Focal for your excellent suggestions. Dr.K. (talk) 16:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]