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Reviewer: J Milburn (talk · contribs) 21:53, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
I've had nothing to do with this sort of article before, and don't know much about ships (though I am from Barrow-in-Furness, if the name means anything to you). That said, the article looks interesting, and I'm sure I'll learn something reading it. Review to come soon. J Milburn (talk) 21:53, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- Do we have an article on the island? Worth linking in the lead?
- Added.
- "the Great Powers" Link?
- Unfortunately, the Great power article doesn't provide the best target. Perhaps Concert of Europe would be better?
- Sure- it's just that right now, to someone not familiar with the subject matter, the reference to the "Great Powers" is completely opaque. J Milburn (talk) 23:20, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- Linked to Concert of Europe.
- Sure- it's just that right now, to someone not familiar with the subject matter, the reference to the "Great Powers" is completely opaque. J Milburn (talk) 23:20, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, the Great power article doesn't provide the best target. Perhaps Concert of Europe would be better?
- "the St. Nazaire shipyard" Link?
- Added link to Ateliers et Chantiers de la Loire, as noted in the link below.
- The naming isn't mentioned anywhere but the lead. Also, did the class take the name from the ship, or did the ship take the name from the class? If the former, does it make sense to say "In 1885, Greece ordered three new ironclads of the Hydra class"?
- Most ship articles/editors don't bother mentioning the name of the ship in the body (and frequently not even in the lead - usually just in the infobox). As for the name, a class is (usually) named for the first ship completed. For instance, the Iowa class battleships are so named because USS Iowa was the first to be built.
- This seems like relevant info, and, in any case, the lead should not be discussing anything not discussed in the article. Could something perhaps be added? J Milburn (talk) 23:20, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- Added.
- This seems like relevant info, and, in any case, the lead should not be discussing anything not discussed in the article. Could something perhaps be added? J Milburn (talk) 23:20, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- Most ship articles/editors don't bother mentioning the name of the ship in the body (and frequently not even in the lead - usually just in the infobox). As for the name, a class is (usually) named for the first ship completed. For instance, the Iowa class battleships are so named because USS Iowa was the first to be built.
- "Georgios Averof from its position" Why not "her"?
- Changed.
- Is para three of the service history section important?
- In that the ship was there, but too slow to actively participate.
- "In October 1916, Hydra and a pair of torpedo boats defected to the Venizelist faction in the National Schism.[10]" Is there more to be said about this? Under whose command? What did they do?
- Not much is said about it. This references Pavlos Kountouriotis, but it's unclear if he was actually involved with this ship.
- "Hydra was decommissioned in 1918 stricken from the naval register the next year." Does this make sense?
- Yes - warships are frequently taken out of service and maintained in some capacity in reserve. Being stricken is usually the last step before selling the ship for scrapping.
- I meant grammatically. Should it not be "Hydra was decommissioned in 1918 and stricken from the naval register the next year"?
- Right, right - you never see your own typos :)
- I meant grammatically. Should it not be "Hydra was decommissioned in 1918 and stricken from the naval register the next year"?
- Yes - warships are frequently taken out of service and maintained in some capacity in reserve. Being stricken is usually the last step before selling the ship for scrapping.
- Some more wikilinks in the bibliography couldn't hurt- publishers? Authors?
- Added links where appropriate.
- No location for the Richard Hall source
- Added.
- No country for the last two sources
- Added.
- "The Society for the study of Greek History." Study?
- Fixed.
- No category for when the ship was scrapped? Or the fact it was scrapped?
- I think WP:SHIPS discussed having additional categories for things like scrapping, but we decided against it. FWIW, Category:Ships is the parent category for ship-related categories.
The images are good, the sources seem reliable, and a search of Google and a few databases threw up nothing obvious missed (though I did find this rather nice snippet). I'll be happy to promote once you've explained or fixed the issues above. As an aside- "until 1929 when she was broken up for scrap." This may sound strange, but does this not sadden you a little? An ignoble end to something about which you care enough that you're motivated to write on it? J Milburn (talk) 22:29, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- It is somewhat sad, but it's the typical fate for ships. Probably the saddest thing is the fate of SMS Goeben - Turkey was unable to afford turning the ship into a museum and offered to sell the ship back to Germany, which was rejected, so the ship was broken up after over 60 years in existence. Thanks for reviewing the article, I hope you enjoyed reading it. Parsecboy (talk) 23:06, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
- Great, I'm happy to promote. Nice work. J Milburn (talk) 10:59, 15 December 2011 (UTC)