Talk:Greater Montreal

Split discussion

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was against split

If split, the title of both articles should be in English, not French. This is the English Wikipedia. -- Beland 22:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

• Against: Most articles on large cities have one article on the Metropolitan area of a city. I think Greater Montreal is the term most often used when discussing the Greater Montreal region. Even in the CMM literature, the area governed by the CMM is referred to as Greater Montreal; the CMM refers to the governing body, not the area. --Soulscanner 04:14, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

• Against. As said above, Metropolitan areas all tend to be on one page. I also agree that the heading should be in English, as this is an English wiki. However, mention has to be made of the name en français, as that is how it is most commonly used there. --RobNS 19:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Typically an article on the metropolitan community would talk about politics and government, while one on the CMA would talk about statistics and so on. Rather different subjects. I can't really imagine a detailed discussion of the powers of the metropolitan community, its relations with constituent municipalities, etc., going on in an article called, vaguely, "Greater Montreal Area". Joeldl (talk) 11:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose. First, I agree with the comments that metropolitan areas tend to be on one page -- see National Capital Region (Canada) for example, which covers both the officially designated NCR and the Ottawa-Gatineau CMA. This article consists today mostly of lists -- it could stand to be improved, and there is more than enough opportunity to discuss both stats and politics/government. Second, in respect of the "title of both articles should be in English, not French - this is the English Wikipedia" argument, I strongly disagree. In the English Wikipedia, we do not automatically use the English version of a name for the title -- we use the name most commonly used in English, regardless of the language. The article itself asserts that English term "Montreal Metropolitan Community" is rarely used, so the "Communauté métropolitaine de Montréal" is the preferred title if there is an actual article split. Please see Wikipedia:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board/Style guide#French names for more details. Skeezix1000 (talk) 19:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that if the Montreal Metropolitan Community were just a territory, perhaps the two notions would be close enough to be on the same page. But it is also a political body. For example, New York City Council has an article separate from New York City, despite the fact that the territory of the council is exactly the city. If the objection is that there currently isn't enough information on the CMM to deserve a separate page, I might be persuaded to agree with that. But if more information on the politics and government of the CMM is introduced (such as appointment procedures, powers, institutional history, etc.), wouldn't you agree that in future that should be treated in its own article, like New York City Council? There's just something wrong about discussing a body created by government legislation (the Act respecting the Communauté métropolitaine de Montréal [1]) in an article called Greater Montreal Area.Joeldl (talk) 03:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely. We are far from that now, however. But any discussion here is without prejudice to anyone who wanted to significantly expand the article and then propose a split. BTW, it's not that I don't think there is much to say about the CMM -- it's just that I don't think there is much to say about the CMA. Skeezix1000 (talk) 20:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose split. A paragraph about the difference between the two notions would suffice. A demographics section could use data from the CMA, while everything else would refer to CMM. --Qyd (talk) 20:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
• Comment The political designation deserves its own article to describe the governance functions which CMM undertakes. These are notable and distinct from the demographics, economy, etc. of the metropolitan area. Franamax (talk) 06:04, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

• Comment the Greater Toronto Area article covers both concepts that the Montreal article also attemps to cover. 70.51.10.188 (talk) 11:55, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

more?

This article should be expanded, the Toronto equivalent article Greater Toronto Area can give suggestions on how to make this one better. 70.51.10.188 (talk) 11:57, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

"Greater Montreal" now has a logo that cost $1/2 million. 70.55.86.100 (talk) 14:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

It is already part of the article, however when I looked at the newspaper this morning, it appears that a lot of people are displeased with either hte logo or its price tag. Someone even suggested that, if you turn it upside down, it could be sold to the city of Winnipeg. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 16:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

picture

why is there a picture of snow ? wouldnt it be more meaningful to put maybe a famous landmark? or the city skyline? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.75.103 (talk) 11:10, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

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Communauté métropolitaine de Montréal vs. Agglomération de Montréal

Do the Communauté métropolitaine de Montréal and the Agglomération de Montréal share the same boundaries and include the same local municipalities? Do these two each have a council? That would seem like a duplication. Lastly, if the answer is "yes" to the first question, that means that these two entities are coterminous with the Region of Montreal? It seems that the Agglomération de Montréal may serve in the place of administrative Region of Montreal. I'm just trying to get an idea as to how Montreal and Quebec City are structured. It would seem that apart from the central local municipalities, that each city's regional government is also a territory equivalent to both an RCM and an Administrative Region. I guess in that case the Agglomération de Montréal might be the only level above Montreal aside from the provincial government. --Criticalthinker (talk) 00:47, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Can anyone answer this? Are the Urban Agglomeration and the Metropolitan Commmunity conterminous? How do their competencies/roles differ from one another if that is the case? In other words, what does each oversee that the other doesn't in terms of regional services? --Criticalthinker (talk) 09:24, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

I have found the answer to this question in seeing the LOI SUR LA COMMUNAUTÉ MÉTROPOLITAINE DE MONTRÉAL and the website for the CMM (http://cmm.qc.ca/champs-intervention/). What is clear to me, then, is that there needs to be some differentiation between the Grand Montreal/Greater Montreal CMA and the Communauté métropolitaine de Montréal aside from simply mentioning the difference in area they cover. Even the infobox conflates and mixes the two. The Communauté métropolitaine de Montréal either needs its own article or own section in the article stating that it's a local government and giving its competencies and political composition. This article needs to primary be about the CMA. As it stands now, the infobox first gives the name of the CMA, but then below that lists the name of the CMM and its logo, and then below that switches back to CMA figures. Fix this, folks. --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:13, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Vaudreuil-Soulanges

Look at a map. That ain't the South Shore, unless you're talking about the south shore of the Ottawa River. Just sayin'.184.145.42.19 (talk) 10:40, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Should this article not be named Montreal Metropolitan Community?

Should this article not be named Montreal Metropolitan Community? Not Greater Montreal. 174.95.4.183 (talk) 15:02, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Either renamed or rewritten. As @Criticalthinker: I think points out above, this article conflates the Communauté métropolitaine de Montréal with the Census metropolitan area of Montréal. There's also overlap with the Urban agglomeration of Montreal. I propose renaming it (or rather moving the content to the redirected Montreal Metropolitan Community) and updating the content so that the article focuses on the MMC. The census area can of course still be discussed in the demographics section but should have less prominence. --Cornellier (talk) 20:44, 22 November 2021 (UTC)