Talk:Great white shark/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Breaching behaviour details inaccurate

The section on Breacing Behaviour cites Chris Fallows as the person to first document breaching behaviour in False Bay. It is widely known that Rob Lawrence was also on this historic trip and they were both partners in the use of decoy towing to encourage breaching in False Bay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ricardoeliaslacombe (talk • contribs) 12:02, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, updated the page accordingly. --Stefan ^talk 07:20, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 July 2012

Update information accordingly with what reported in the information source.

• • • OLD***

Since the year 2000 there have been a total of 66 unprovoked great white shark attacks, with 14 of these attacks being fatal.

• • • NEW***

Since the year 1990 there have been a total of 139 unprovoked great white shark attacks, with 29 of these attacks being fatal.

203.176.108.99 (talk) 05:15, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Done (and simplified the wording a bit). Rivertorch (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 13:20, 27 August 2012 (UTC) Hi! I shall review this. I am leaving some preliminary comments, may have more also. I go section-wise, it is convenient.

Lead

• A common word like 'ocean' need not be linked. Special terms ought to be linked (for example 'maturity', good you linked it).  Done
• There need not be much referencing in the lead section, unless the facts are not to be discussed anywhere in the rest of the article. ✗ Not done
• I think you should write 'sexual maturity' and not just 'maturity'. It can have various meanings. ✗ Not done it links to sexual maturity
• ' It is the only known surviving species of its genus; Carcharodon' No need of semicolon after 'genus'.  Done
• 'The IUCN treats the great white shark as a vulnerable' Better rewrite it as 'The IUCN lists the great white shark as a vulnerable species'.  Done
• I found the IUCN link (footnote 2) is dead. It must be removed.  Done - Fixed!
• I think this needs some clarification - 'It is the only known ... and is ranked first in having the most attacks on humans' implies humans are prey of this shark, while 'In reality, humans are not the preferred prey of the great white shark' contradicts the statement. Perhaps (if I think right) you could write 'and is ranked first in having the most attacks on humans, though it does not intend to prey on them'. I think this statement should be in the last paragraph of the lead, and 'In reality ... great white shark' can be omitted if you write as I have suggested. ✗ Not done humans may be prey as they may be rouge sharks. But still it is ranked first but it doesn't imply that.

Overall : This part looks fine, no more comments!

Etymology Taxonomy

• I suggest you make a new section 'Taxonomy and evolution', and put information about who first described the species, when and the genus, family and so on of the species. You can make another paragraph and use the information in 'Ancestry and fossil record'. ✗ Not done Taxonomy and evolution is etymology.

OK, but I suggest at least rename the section as 'Taxonomy', it would look proper, with the fossil records along too. For one thing fossil records do not have much to do with etymology, do they?  Done - changed to taxonomy

• I think you should use any one picture of fossils, else the text gets squashed.  Done
• In the last line of 'Ancestry and fossil record', there is no reference. If it is footnote 11, add it at the end. And the footnote 11 need not be repeated everywhere. It can be written just once after the text, which implies all that text is based on this source.  Done

Overall:Pass

Distribution and habitat

• 'After they arrive,...for up to 10 minutes' Write 10 as ten, numbers till ten (including it) should be written in words according to MoS. But these does not include numbers in which convert template is used, or decimals (of course!)  Done

Missed one more, corrected!

Thanks!

Overall:This section is done!

Anatomy and appearance

• The introduction is unreferenced.  Done
• In 'size', the metric units are linked. This is not required at all.  Done
• 'ichthyological' should be linked (to icthyology').  Done
• I think this section is too long, could you make it smaller, with necessary details? The records and observations seem to be consuming too much space. ✗ Not done it is fine.
• Who is J. E. Randall? ✗ Not done - it is a quote.

Fine, but good if you can identify him.

• Anatomy and appearance of the animal seems to have nothing to do with its adaptations and bite. So why have it in this section? Adaptations could be another section and bite force as a part of behavior. ✗ Not done - Bite force is an adaptation, and adaptations are apart of anatomy.
• In the Section Adaptation there is an incorrect calculation of temperature, 14 C is incorrectly labeled as 25 F, instead of the 57.2 F, that 14 C actually is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.151.16.11 (talk) 19:59, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Overall:This too, pass!

Ecology and behavior

• You can make Ecology and behavior on section, and add the thing about bite force in the previous section, Natural threats and Breaching behavior a part of this. Diet and Reproduction can be independent sections. Many articles do this. ✗ Not done - per above.
• If the introductory part is wholly based on footnote 32, cite at the end of each paragraph. That is proper.  Done
• I see 'Diet' needs linking, so do not delete links here. But remove the one for 'carnivorous'. ✗ Not done explain.

Seems too common a word. And also fish.

Took away fish but not carnivorous since not that many people know what it means. Obtund^Talk 01:18, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

• Once again, as per MoS, write numbers from one to ten in words.  Done
• In 'Reproduction', the part about sexual maturity should be before the part about gestation and birth.  Done

I rewrote the first line. Now it looks fine!

• In 'Natural threats' convert 500 m to ft.  Done

Overall : OK, Pass, now!

Relationship with humans

• In 'Shark attacks', who is John McCosker? Same with Tricas. Remember, the people must be identified to the reader.  Done
• In 'Attacks on boats', write 5 in words.  Done
• In 'Great white sharks in captivity', no need of comma after August.  Done
• In 'Shark tourism', 'Cage diving is most common off the coasts of South Australia, South Africa, and Guadalupe Island which is off the coast of Baja, California, where great whites are frequent their' is incorrect. It can be rewritten as 'Cage diving is most common off the coasts of South Australia, South Africa, and Guadalupe Island (which is off the coast of Baja, California, where great whites are frequent).'  Done
• 'Conservation status' could be made into a new section, and the material from 'natural threats' can be used to describe the dangers to the species' population.  Done

Overall:Also a pass!

Rest parts

• In footnotes, many references are not properly written with cite templates.  Done
• External links uses too many links. But I may not be right, at the same time. ✗ Not done - I agree with you but is there a rule saying that there is a certain amount?
• Could you tell me how you have classified the citations as references and footnotes?  Done - I have changed it to references and removed the other reference section because the sources were listed above.
• Another comment- About the photo captions. Those which are not full sentences, just phrases, should not have full stops in the end. And those which are sentences, need full stops. Check the captions for this. And just a normal comment, look for disambig links using the tool in the toolbox on this page (up above, you will find it).  Done

That is all for now. Fix these problems and reply here. If you wish to contact me, you can write here or on my talk page.--Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 13:20, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

 Done Obtund^Talk 12:46, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Seen your talkback. I have summed up the comments on the sections, if they are pass or not. One or two are left, resolve them, then the article is well and truly done. Cheers! --Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 15:27, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

• The first link to the Ocean Portal needs updating and the title is way too long. Proper link - "http://ocean.si.edu/great-white-shark" and maybe just call it "Great White Shark - Smithsonian Ocean Portal" Attaboygirl (talk) 21:57, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

On the refs

I have rewrote many more references.

• I think ref 29 (jawshark.com) is not such a reliable source. It does not even properly mention its own source. Better remove it.  Done

Once done with this, I shall make this a GA!--Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 12:10, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

 Done Obtund^Talk 01:15, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Good work! So now, for the final evaluation:

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   a. prose: clear and concise, respects copyright laws, correct spelling and grammar:

   b. complies with MoS for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   a. provides references to all sources in the section(s) dedicated to footnotes/citations according to the guide to layout:

   b. provides in-line citations from reliable sources where necessary:

   c. no original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   b. it remains focused and does not go into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Does it follow the neutral point of view policy.

   fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   no edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   a. images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   Great life-like images, good! Even a video to satisfy the reader!

   b. images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   Great article; it had to be a GA!

Cheers! --Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 09:39, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Adding new white-shark policy from Australia

Good morning,

I thought it might be useful for the latest Australian Government White Shark recovery plan to be included in the conservation section

Old: Australia's population of great whites was revealed in a study published on July 7, 2012 was revealed to be two separate populations separated by the Bass Strait into eastern and western populations, and may require regional protection. [86]

New: Australia's population of great whites was revealed in a study published on July 7, 2012 was revealed to be two separate populations separated by the Bass Strait into eastern and western populations, and may require regional protection. [86] In 2013, the Australian government made a new Recovery Plan for the White Shark ( Carcharodon carcharias). The plan considers the conservation requirements of the species across its Australian range and identifies the actions to be taken to ensure the species' long-term viability in nature and the parties that will undertake those actions. This is a revision of the 2002 White Shark (Carcharodon carcharias) Recovery Plan (EA, 2002) and should be read in conjunction with the 2013 Issues Paper for the White Shark (Carcharodon carcharias)(DSEWPaC, 2013). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.7.63.177 (talk) 00:41, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Done (I omitted the provided text as it was copied verbatim from the government website, but expanded on the suggestion to create an entire section on Australian great white shark conservation status.) Librarywild (talk) 20:35, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

No natural predators

Its known that Orcas prey on White Pointers. I believe this needs to be addressed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.111.164.108 (talk) 07:20, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Can you provide a reliable source for this information so that it can be incorporated into the article. Thanks XFEM Skier (talk) 07:42, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

 Done See the subsection Interspecific competition and predation by orcas. — Kodiak Blackjack (talk) • (contribs) 17:02, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Feb 2024, They have another predator, the cookie-cutter shark https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/what-bit-this-great-white-shark-a-cookie-cutter

 Done I have added information about their interactions with cookiecutter sharks to the Parasites subsection. — Kodiak Blackjack (talk) • (contribs) 15:23, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Lifespan

Please update article to include new research on lifespan, Great Whites can live to 70 years old. Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25655666149.241.190.125 (talk) 12:08, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks.149.241.190.125 (talk) 12:08, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

 Done The updated lifespan information was added to the lede paragraph the day after this request was made, and has remained there in some capacity ever since. Closing this. — Kodiak Blackjack (talk) • (contribs) 15:44, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2014

Remove,"The great white shark has no natural predators other than the Orca." because this sentence could be a contradiction, "has no natural predator", then names a predator, "Orca"

Replace with, "The only great white shark natural predator is the Orca." Charliewoolery (talk) 14:12, 12 August 2014 (UTC)charliewoolery

It's not a contradiction; grammatically, it's fine as-is. But, if you'd like to change it, you could have it read "The only natural predator of the great white shark is the Orca." JoelWhy?(talk)

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Pre FAC look

Right, needs:

• more synonyms and taxonomic history
• Fix tags and cite uncited sentences
• review external links

just on first look. Would torpedo FAC to go without addressing these: Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:05, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2018

The Celsius to Fahrenheit conversion in the adaptations section is wrong. 14C is approximately 57F. You know it is incorrect because any Celsius value above 0 must be above 32F. Jerfdurf (talk) 04:04, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: The temperature is 14 °C above that of the water. Here 14 °C is a temperature difference, so we do not add 32 °F. Gulumeemee (talk) 05:09, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2019

would be great to add the following external link:

• Photos of Great white shark/Archive 2 on Sealife Collection

Thank you PauBatlleV (talk) 18:15, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done for now: We seem to have a pretty good collection of links already. Is there something in particular that is good about the link you are suggesting that is not captured by the already-existing links? Please also review WP:ELNEVER and verify its suitability. Izno (talk) 20:55, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Looks like it was added on 7 June 2019. I removed the link. It doesn't seem to add anything helpful to the article. —Hyperik ⌜talk⌟ 17:21, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2019

"In 2017, along the South African coast, four great whites were found washed ashore with their livers removed with what was described as "surgical precision". Local scientists claim that pods of orcas in the area were responsible for the attacks."
Please correct this sentence according to the accompanying citation. In fact, THREE great whites were found washed ashore, which had been "torn apart to reveal their body cavity" with no mention of "surgical precision". There is no mention of "local scientists" but a South African DEA spokesperson stated that "wounds and bite indentations consistent with what would be expected in an Orca attack". 79.72.142.226 (talk) 16:20, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done Good catch, rephrased according to source. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 20:02, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2022

Under “Size”:

“ Among living cartilaginous fish, only the whale shark (Rhincodon typus), the basking shark (Cetorhinus maximus) and the giant manta ray (Manta birostris), in that order, are on average larger and heavier.”

This is partially incorrect. The Greenland Shark is also larger, both in length and in weight, than the Great White Shark. 2601:602:D000:94F0:B473:6FFE:6BC4:AEA (talk) 00:14, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.

Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2022 (2)

Under: “Size”

“Among living cartilaginous fish, only the whale shark (Rhincodon typus), the basking shark (Cetorhinus maximus) and the giant manta ray (Manta birostris), in that order, are on average larger and heavier. These three species are generally quite docile in disposition and given to passively filter-feeding on very small organisms.[58] This makes the great white shark the largest extant macropredatory fish.“

Upon further investigation, this entire section is simply incorrect and should probably be removed. The greenland shark, tiger shark, and great hanmerhead all are larger on average than the great white. 2601:602:D000:94F0:B473:6FFE:6BC4:AEA (talk) 00:23, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2023

The Etymology section refers to the Ancient Greek word for rough/jagged, but the Greek text and its anglicization don't match each other, and neither is correct (which also means that the Wiktionary link is broken).

According to Wiktionary, the correct word is κάρκαρος, anglicized as kárkaros.

Suggested changes: in the sentence '...the prefix carchar- is derived from καρχαρίας (kárkharos), which means "jagged" or "sharp".', change the text "καρχαρίας (kárkharos)" to "κάρκαρος (kárkaros)". Also, change the Wiktionary target on the Greek text from κάρχαρος to κάρκαρος. 97.126.28.92 (talk) 08:52, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done except that I used κάρχαρος kárkharos in line with the source given in the article, instead of κάρκαρος kárkaros. They seem equivalent, so I've also linked to wikt:κάρκαρος. small jars tc 16:52, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2023

Remove reference 16. Wrong species. 73.157.217.197 (talk) 09:07, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

 Done The reference 16 stated the following:

"Danger to Humans

The tiger shark is second only to the white shark in number of reported attacks on humans "

This is relevant to the statement, but because there is already a reliable source for it, I removed the citation as you suggested.

Thank you for your contribution! NotAGenious (talk) 10:24, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Conversation Status Graphic

Graphic shows that the species is critically endangered whereas the text indicates that it is vulnerable. The graphic should be corrected accordingly. 47.199.208.41 (talk) 14:51, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

 Semi-done I think you're a little confused. Great whites are considered vulnerable worldwide, but the IUCN assesses the European and Mediterranean subpopulations separately, and considers those specific subpopulations to be critically endangered.

That being said, there was a small error in the speciesbox's conservation status graphic; the status reference for the European subpopulation was a link to a page ran by the European Environment Agency instead of the actual IUCN assessment for the European subpopulation. I have since corrected this. I also added a sentence to Conservation status section mentioning that the European and Mediterranean subpopulations are considered critically endangered, since that wasn't mentioned in the article itself.

Hope that clears things up.

Kodiak Blackjack (talk) • (contribs) 05:07, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2023

Hello, my colleagues and I are releasing a scientific publication on the Mediterranean white shark this month. We wanted to include a naturalistic illustration of the species hunting a school of bluefin tuna in the diet section. Is this possible? Regards, Tanguy

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:White_shark_hunting_a_school_of_bluefin_tuna_V5.jpg TanguyCAR (talk) 19:41, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. M.Bitton (talk) 21:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)