Talk:Grande Ronde River

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Grande Ronde River/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Shannon1 (talk · contribs) 03:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Mertbiol (talk · contribs) 03:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will take on this review. Comments to follow at the weekend. Mertbiol (talk) 03:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead section

Second paragraph, fourth sentence: The term "gold strike" either needs to be linked to another article or rephrased to "discovery of gold" or similar.
Second paragraph, final sentence: I suggest linking subsistence fishing (redirects to artisanal fishing).
Third paragraph, second sentence: I suggest either linking "spawning" to Spawn (biology) or linking "spawning habitat" to spawning bed.
Final paragraph, final sentence: I suggest deleting "scenic" from "The river's scenic canyons" for WP:NPOV and to reduce repetition.

Done. Shannon [ Talk ] 16:27, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Course

Second paragraph, first sentence: It might be worth linking "irrigated" to irrigation.
Third paragraph, fourth sentence: Please link rangelands.
Third paragraph, final sentence: It might be worth linking confluence.

Done. Shannon [ Talk ] 16:27, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discharge

First paragraph, second sentence: I suggest linking snowmelt.

Done. Shannon [ Talk ] 16:27, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Watershed

First paragraph, third sentence: "topping out just shy of..." sounds a little too informal for me. Could you rephrase please?
First paragraph, final sentence: I suggest deleting "situated" from "situated north of the Wallowa Valley..."
Second paragraph, first sentence: "only 341 square miles (880 km2), or 8 percent, are in Washington" - I think this is page 16 of reference [25], not page 15 as currently indicated.

Done. Shannon [ Talk ] 16:27, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Geology

First paragraph, first and second sentences: These two sentences are both quite long and have multiple clauses. I suggest splitting the first one in two, so it reads "The Grande Ronde River basin is founded on multiple terranes. These crustal fragments accreted onto the North American continent during the Mesozoic, 248–65 million years ago (Ma), when the area was still part of a shallow inland sea." or similar.
First paragraph, second sentence: Please link tectonic uplift.
Second paragraph, final sentence: I am not comfortable with using the term "epicenter" to describe a geological formation (particularly in a "geology" section!). I suggest deleting "This area was the epicenter and namesake of", leaving the rest of the sentence intact.
Final paragraph, second sentence: I suggest deleting "in elevation" from "As the land rose in elevation".
Final paragraph, final sentence: I suggest linking "Alluvial sediment" to alluvium.

All done. Shannon [ Talk ] 03:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History

Indigenous peoples

Second paragraph, final sentence: I suggest linking prairies.

Done Shannon [ Talk ] 16:58, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Exploration and settlement

First paragraph, second sentence: Reference [44] does not appear to say that Hunt was commissioned by the Pacific Fur Company - I suggest adding reference [45] here to cover this point.
Second paragraph, second sentence: Reference [48] does not appear to support "At the confluence they camped with Chief Tuekakas and the Wallowa Nez Perce."

Reworded. Shannon [ Talk ] 16:58, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Third paragraph, second sentence: It might be worth adding a WP:REDLINK to Ladd Canyon.
Third paragraph, final sentence: I suggest linking wagon train.
Fifth paragraph, third sentence: Please add "mostly" to "Benjamin F. Shaw killed sixty mostly unarmed Walla Walla, Umatilla and Cayuse" per reference [56].
Fifth paragraph, third sentence: Reference [57] states that Shaw's men killed "fifty" not "sixty".
Final paragraph, second sentence: Please link "Lewiston" to Lewiston, Idaho.
Final paragraph, second sentence: Please link "gold prospectors" to gold prospecting.

All done Shannon [ Talk ] 16:58, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Later development

First paragraph, third sentence: Please link wetlands.
First paragraph, fourth sentence: Please link "timber" to lumber. (Note that in the second paragraph of this subsection you have used "lumber".)
First paragraph, fourth sentence: I suggest linking sawmills.
First paragraph, fifth sentence: The discovery of gold is on page 11 of reference [64].
First paragraph, final sentence: Please link "Hilgard" to Hilgard, Oregon.
Second paragraph, second sentence: Please change "an branch line" to "a branch line".
Second paragraph, second sentence: Please add "a" to "had a regular passenger service".
Second paragraph, final sentence: Reference [65] does not name the "Eagle Cap Excursion Train".

Added extra citation that refers to it by name. Shannon [ Talk ] 17:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Third paragraph, final sentence: Reference [67] does not directly say that the road completed in 1937 went to Lewiston.

Reworded. Shannon [ Talk ] 16:58, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fifth paragraph, first sentence: Please link grazing.
Fifth paragraph, third sentence: I suggest increasing the page range for ref [27] so that it includes page 66.
Sixth paragraph, third sentence: I suggest linking flood control.
Sixth paragraph, fifth sentence: I suggest linking "rockfill dam" to Embankment dam#Rock-fill embankment dams.
Sixth paragraph, final sentence: I suggest linking "Wild and Scenic River" to National Wild and Scenic Rivers System as this is the first mention in the main body of the article.

All done. Shannon [ Talk ] 17:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ecology

Fish

First paragraph, second sentence: I suggest linking "spawn" to Spawn (biology).
First paragraph, second sentence: Would it be appropriate to link "threatened species" to threatened species or are these different definitions?

Linked to the appropriate sub-section of the article. Shannon [ Talk ] 17:04, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First paragraph, fifth sentence: Please link "extirpated" to local extinction.
First paragraph, final sentence: It might be worth linking hatchery.
Second paragraph, first sentence: Please change "formerly" to "former".
Third paragraph, third sentence: I suggest changing "habitat" to "habitats" in "restore riparian habitat".
Final paragraph, second sentence: Please link species of concern.

All done. Shannon [ Talk ] 17:04, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Plants and animals

First paragraph, fourth sentence: Reference [86] does not appear to support "The Grande Ronde is also at the center of the largest contiguous gray wolf range in Oregon."

Changed wording to match with reference.

First paragraph, final sentence: Please link bighorn sheep, mule deer, white-tailed deer and bald eagles.
Second paragraph, third sentence: I suggest linking bunchgrass (automatic redirect to tussock grass).
Second paragraph, third sentence: Would it be worth linking Pacific Northwest?
Second paragraph, fourth sentence: Please link shrubland and coniferous.
Final paragraph, final sentence: Reference [91] does not appear to support "This is now the largest tule wetland remaining in northeast Oregon", but the "Ladd Marsh Wildlife Area Management Plan" pdf does, so I suggest changing the url to link direct to the pdf.

All done. Shannon [ Talk ] 18:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Industries and economy

First paragraph, first sentence: Reference [92] does not appear to support "Irrigation is the largest consumer of Grande Ronde River water." (It would be useful to have a page number for this ref.)
First paragraph, second sentence: I suggest linking groundwater. (I know you have linked groundwater recharge in the second paragraph.)
First paragraph, fourth sentence: It might be worth linking reservoir. (I know you have linked off-stream reservoir in the second paragraph.)
Third paragraph, second sentence: The events of 1890 are discussed on page 12 of reference [64].
Final paragraph, second sentence: Reference [97] only mentions dredge mining in the 1940s - it doesn't mention hydraulic mining or mining in the 1930s.

All done. Shannon [ Talk ] 17:41, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Recreation

First paragraph, first sentence: If you have linked to National Wild and Scenic Rivers System at the end of the "History" section, please de-link here.
Second paragraph, first sentence: Please link rainbow trout. I would suggest removing "steelhead" from this sentence, if this is a subspecies.
Second paragraph, final sentence: Reference [77] does not appear to support "Because the 1855 Treaty of Walla Walla grants rights to Umatilla and Nez Perce subsistence fishing in the Grande Ronde River, chinook salmon tags are apportioned evenly between the sport and subsistence fisheries"
Fourth paragraph, second sentence: I suggest linking "black bear" to American black bear and "mountain lion" to cougar.
Fourth paragraph, third sentence: Please link "chukar" to chukar partridge.
Fourth paragraph, third sentence: Reference [108] does not appear to support " with chukar, partridge and quail common along riverside and grassland areas, and turkey and grouse in the upland forested areas."

Done, changed some wording to better match the references. Shannon [ Talk ] 03:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

I have checked the following references: [16], [20], [21], [22] (page numbers would be useful but not essential for GA), [23], [24], [25] (see note above in "Watershed" section), [26], [27] (see suggestion above), [29], [30], [31], [34], [35], [36] (page numbers would be useful but not essential for GA - I presume pages 8 and 9?), [37], [40], [42], [44] (see note above), [45] (page numbers would be useful but not essential for GA), [48] (see note above), [49], [53], [54], [55], [56] (see note above), [57] (see note above), [59], [60], [61], [62], [63], [64] (see notes above), [65] (see note above), [66], [67] (see note above), [68] (a page number would be useful but not essential for GA - I presume page 24), [69], [70], [71] (a page number for the second occurence would be useful but not essential for GA - I presume page 25), [72] (page numbers would be useful but not essential for GA), [74], [75], [76], [77] (see note above), [78], [79], [80], [81], [82], [83], [have 84], [85], [86] (see note above), [87], [88], [89], [90] (a page number would be useful but not essential for GA - I presume page 3), [91] (see note above), [92] (see note above), [93], [94], [95], [97] (see note above), [98], [99], [100], [101], [102], [103], [105], [107], [108] (see note above), [109], [112].

Added page numbers to the indicated references, will look at the rest. Shannon [ Talk ] 16:27, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright/plagiarism

I have not detected any copyright violations or plagiarism. A check with Earwig's Copyvio Detector is clear.

Images

All appropriately licensed.

Stopping here for now

That's all for the first pass. This is a very enjoyable and informative article. There's not much to address - just a handful of queries on a few references and some suggestions for additional links - everything else is very minor. Mertbiol (talk) 08:03, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the detailed review! I'll attempt to address everything before I am out of town for about a week starting on Tuesday; if not, I'll finish up once I return. Shannon [ Talk ] 19:57, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am back, will be working on this over the next few days. Shannon [ Talk ] 04:54, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Final verdict

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

This is a very interesting and informative article. It is well written and appears to cover all aspects of the river in depth. Congratulations to @Shannon1: for their hard work to bring this nomination forward. I have no hesitation in promoting it to GA status. Great job!!! Mertbiol (talk) 10:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]