Talk:Gowda (surname)

Gowda refers to no caste. So, it is advised to make it as casteless as possible. If people insist on adding notable people may kindly do so on their community wikipedia pages but never here. This article has participation from various communities.

Kurubas using Gowda as a surname is not a pan-karnataka phenomena,rather limited to few pockets of old mysore region. The community is not considered a forward caste while it is classified as an Other Backward Class by Union Government. Anonymous users should desist from editing this page with an agenda of claiming higher ritual and social status. - ~ Irrigator ^talk 05:02, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

For your kind information, Gowda as a surname was first used for the Kurubas in usage and writings. All the articles cited as references in this article discusses the sphepherds or Kurubas. Whether a forward caste or not is unnecessary. Never forget the dynasties such as Vijayanaga empire, Pallavas, etc... originated through Kurubas. The current status has nothing to do with the past.

Also, the social status of the OBCs which includes Lingayats(3B OBC), Vokkaliga(3A OBC) and Kuruba(2A OBC), as of 22 January 2023 since the formation of Karnataka Politics and literacy drives, is based on the literacy and economy. And I urge you to do research on the castes if you wish; you will find the ground reality of all the statuses in various places. And also, Kuruba as Gowda indeed is a pan-karnataka surname of Kurubas used in North as well as South Karnataka unlike limited to just Mysore and Mandya and including those two places.

Also, never forget that all the Lingayats originated from other castes(nearly all the other castes). The Kuruba kings patronised the Veerashaiva and Lingayat writings and movements.

I have only said the truth for your reference and will eventually do the authoritarian changes to this article, and would also do, if necessary by invoking administrators of wikipedia article (in case of problems). Late reply though! CSCM01 (talk) 11:02, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Please do not write here anything specific to any community as Gowda is not a caste name and it is a title given to the head of the village (now it ceases to exist after independence as people representatives are elected by people). Request anyone who write here derogatory remarks against any specific castes will not be tolerated. This is not a personal website to write once family story here and please note that this is social media website and request the writer to respect the feeling of other people of the state as we live in a democratic country as the Gowda itself has no meaning in today's context rather it just carries honorific title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.192.136.31 (talk • contribs) 04:08, October 5, 2014‎

Learn Wikipedia Basics

The page has been found to be repeatedly vandalised to promote personal casteist agenda. As requested, specific persons, who are trying to misrepresent facts, should understand that Kuruba community using Gowda as surname is geography specific and not pervasive. Hence, it is sufficient that it is mentioned as one in subsection of Gowda Communities. These users without even basic command in english language, must understand the basics and ethics of Wikipedia before resorting to edit it as it is not the home page of some caste organisation. ~ Irrigator ^talk 11:22, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Dear Irrigator, Please mind your language. I guess you are not born in England to comment on 'the language'. Furthermore, study the wikipedia policy on the "comments" that one is allowed to use for another, during discussions on talk page of articles. You seem to be ignorant of history. Cite references for your words. All the articles cited in the Gowda article mentions specificially Kurubas. First try to do the reference survey correctly. CSCM01 (talk) 11:08, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Learn the ethics of wikipedia first. Unable to provide authoritative references, you are blabbering something. Kindly educate yourself to stop casteist propaganda in the first place. How many Grammar books have you studied? Could your please share your masters in English language with appropriate certificates of international reputation? CSCM01 (talk) 11:11, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Learn Basics of Kannada, Karnataka and Southern India

The above para (Learn Wikipedia Basics) written by a person who does not understand the history of our state and also note that this is not your personal website to write your family tree here (your English should be show caused in your personal website but not in the public website - wikipedia), request the above writer to understand the ethics of being a human first and not a casteist. Please note that Kuruba is the dominant caste in Karnataka as well as in Southern India. Historically Gowda surname is used by this community as described in some of our epics. You may be targeting one individual here but please note that second largest community of this state is behind me. Request all the viewers of this site not to edit the page anymore as it will create differences in our society and please note that Gowda as a surname does not carry any more weight in our democratic process as people elect their representatives through electrol process.

Again I request the writer to create his personal website to promote his caste and personality. Kindly note that as per our constitution every one is equal and nobody is above the law. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.202.19.146 (talk • contribs) 12:37, December 23, 2014‎

Edit warring:

Irrigator: please add content if you feel there needs to be more content that you think is appropriate. please do not undo content which is appropriate. It was content added by me and another user. Please feel free to let us know what is the disagreement with the content you seem to undo. The picture of the most notable person with the name gowda is better than Family trees of people who have no public record. It might very well be fictional content for all we know. Do not resort to edit warring. I am going to revert it back to the content of the other user. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sudsiv03 (talk • contribs) 20:28, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Sudsiv03 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sudsiv03 (talk • contribs) 20:29, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

• What you guys both have been doing is systemically hijacking the gowda surname only for two communities i.e, you for Vokkaligas and other one hitherto who used to do the same thing for Kuruba community. I obviously do not have any reservations for using Kempegowda's name in the article. But, you both need to know that the surname has been in use by headmen and their families from Solapur in Maharashtra to Nilgiris in TN, while you both have been superficially limiting the surname to the communities who inhabitate the geographical southern Karnataka. The territorial claims for the surname is virtually vast and we need to accept that. Moreover, the grammar of the edits have been not upto wiki standards. Yet, give me some time, i would come up with a article overhauled. Between, we shall have both the images that are relevant for the article. Thank you.-- ~ Irrigator ^talk 10:15, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

  All the best for your overhauling adventures. For all of your overhauling articles, if found baseless and lack of sufficient information and without due credits to the initial formations of the word (Gowda), and its history (amongst Kurubas and Vokkaligas and others), then expect us to make the necessary changes. And for your English Vocabulary, please refer Norman's lists as you might find them useful, just in case if you forget to recall a synonym for any regularly used words in English. Also refer Murphy's book of Grammar without forgetting. And not to mention, consider both Merriam and Oxford Vocabulary sections for your help. The Wikipedia standards of language is known to us. Also, for the ignorant people, kindly share the Wikipedia grammar standards for its page (if at all exists). Probably you would become the originator of the grammar-&-vocabulary reference standard of Wiki articles!! lol.

  Stop giving unnecessary reasons. Quotations from appropriate references are the main requirements for Wikpipedia articles. Truth is more important than language, and that is the gold standard of Wikipedia. CSCM01 (talk) 11:42, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

It is your perception that i am working with someone else who is contributing to the page. Everyone who is willing can contribute to the page as long as it can be factually verified. I know people who use gowda are in ooty, coimbatore but they are from communities of karanataka who moved there a few generations ago likewise with people who have last name of nadagauda which is a variant who moved to Maharashtra from north karnataka a generation ago. You can mention all that as inclusive content along with millions who use it currently and have been for centuries in karantaka. The content should be inclusive and not exclusive to any community. there needs to be a section of notable people of the people with gowda as last name, you can include any notable people who can be validated but please do not delete that since most titles like reddy, patel has notable people section so should gowda with anyone who has that name and made something out of it. If you have issues with grammatical content please paraphrase it and not use it as an excuse to delete content. Thankyou Sudsiv03 (talk) 19:00, 7 February 2016 (UTC) Sudsiv03 (talk) 19:21, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

• I never said You both have been doing it together. But, there has been a convergence in the sort of edits. Let's leave it apart. FYI, the Badaga Lingayats of Ooty though are immigrants centuries ago, they do form now a distinct non Kannada demography, yet with a lot of overlap. H. B. Ari Gowder, was one such famous personality. Meanwhile, Not all gowda lingayats of north karnataka are Nadagowdas. do you know? Gowda even has it's Marathicised version Gonda, which has been in use in the Kolhapur, Latur and solapur areas. Basgonda Rayagonda Patil, former MLA of Kolhapur, is one such. The extensivity of the surname is really vast. Why do we need to limit it to just old mysore region?-- ~ Irrigator ^talk 04:26, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

The family tree image is unsourced original research that does not belong in the article. See WP:OR. I have removed it again. Meters (talk) 03:52, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

I need to know how the image is irrelevant to the article. It depicts how the surname is knitted to genealogy, that is, how it is passed on to descendants. I respect your opinion, and i will not put the image back until the issue is resolved. Your comment is welcome. Thank You.-- ~ Irrigator ^talk 04:19, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Again, read WP:OR. Then read WP:RS. Then explain why, even if it weren't unsourced original researach, why the article needs a 275-year family tree of someone whose family has not used the Gowda surname for the last 6 generations. Meters (talk) 04:32, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

• As the article is about a surname that evolved and has been in use since medieval times, it perfectly makes sense to use the image which reflects nothing but how the surname is passed on to the descendants patrilineally. Contemporarism can not be a criteria here, i believe.-- ~ Irrigator ^talk 06:25, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

As i had mentioned in my earlier note the more inclusive the article the better. There are various variants of this name which branched out in evolution like gounder in tamil nadu and goud in AP. But they have branched out in the course of history and can be quoted as variants rather than in the same category. Every name that has a shared history with the name gowda is not the same as gowda in its present form. Please feel free to add content to the present day usage of gowda so that it is relevant and accurate to the millions of people who use it in its current form today and in references you can quote variants like gounder, goud, gonda, gouder etc so that it reflects the geography and evolution of people who branched out to its variants with references. Sudsiv03 (talk) 15:53, 10 February 2016 (UTC)Sudsiv03 (talk) 15:55, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

• You seem to have a lot of geographical barrier over understanding of the things. Gouds of AP and TG are the taddy tapping community who have been using the surname not analogously the way Gowda is used in Karnataka and sorrounding regions with Kannada influence. That is the case with Gowd saraswat brahmins of Goa, MH and KA, and goud communities of WB, OR and GJ. For example, remember the name of the victim of recent hit and run case in Kolkata in which a IAF officer was killed. His name was Abhimanyu Gaud, from Gujarat. All these gouds, gauds and gonda tribals of central india have in no way any connection with Gowda surname of Karnataka. Here it's purely a surname with administrative fabric and charm that is due to the virtue of belonging to families whose fathers were/are/have been the gowdas of their native village, who commanded clout and landholding, albeit irrespective of community. All the active users of gowda surname in Karnataka are purely agricultural communities. A few people of shepherdic communities and tribals also use the surname though limited to old mysore and raichur regions. Gouder, gauder, gowder , gondas from border areas and gowders of Badaga people are all used as surname purely for the reason stated above for agricultural communities. The peculiar case with the Gounder is it is used by agricultural community of Kongu Vellalars of TN. The shared history thing which you have mentioned above applies only for Gounder and it has a page already. I believe you are clarified. Which part of Karnataka you are from? Just for curiosity. Cheers.-- ~ Irrigator ^talk 06:51, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

  Agriculture is not limited to any caste! Every caste has agricultural associations, although yes, the Vokkaligas as per caste status. But, never forget that the word gowda refers to the head of the village. Which Village? Village of particular castes? No, any headman would have that name. And the word has no caste affiliations. Learn and accept the truth without bias. Having a surname or not is the wish of a family. Surnames cannot and will not, overturn history. How much percentage of Karnataka have you covered, in case if you are a researcher? CSCM01 (talk) 11:53, 22 January 2023 (UTC)