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Not moved, 6 February 2015, from Google Play Movies to Google Play Movies & TV, see discussion.
Moved, 8 June 2019, from Google Play Movies to Google Play Movies & TV, see discussion.
Moved, 1 October 2020, from Google Play Movies & TV to Google TV, see discussion.
No consensus, 5 January 2021, from Google TV to Google Play Movies & TV, see discussion.
Moved, 14 December 2021, from Google TV to Google TV (service), see discussion.

Requested move 28 January 2015

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Number 5 7 15:14, 6 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Google Play Movies → Google Play Movies & TV – The correct product name. SD0001 (talk) 15:47, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - A quick Google search and here is what I found. 636,000,000 results for Google Play Movies and 599,000,000 results per Google Play Movies and TV. We don't use a company (or products) official name. We use the most common name. CookieMonster755 (talk) 02:29, 4 February 2015 (UTC).[reply]

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Requested move 7 May 2015

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 21:57, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Google Play Movies → Google Play Movies & TV – The official name of the service is "Google Play Movies & TV", as demonstrated by the page title on its website, the name of the Android app, the link to its page from the Play Store, a promotional page for Google Play. In fact, just about the only place you won't find the "& TV" portion of the name is the website URL. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 03:31, 16 May 2015 (UTC) Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 18:57, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support I can't see any reason this will be controversial. All official sites use this as do the news and reviews. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 19:10, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I carried out this move, without having seen this request. My error--it has to be closed first and I do not wish to do that. DGG ( talk ) 04:26, 17 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support If this is the more common name as Y2kcrazyjoker4 and EoRdE6 say, I agree (while we don't have to use the official name, but the common name, I see no reason why not to use the official name here). --Gonnym (talk) 07:36, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support --- :D Derry Adama (talk)

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Requested move 30 September 2020

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It was proposed in this section that Google Play Movies & TV be renamed and moved to Google TV.

result:
Moved as uncontroversial per talk below. If anyone does have a problem, then we can always reverse this and discuss. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 01:30, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Google Play Movies & TV → Google TV – Google has confirmed that the Play Movies & TV service has been renamed to Google TV (see here). I am unable to do it myself because the article already exists (it previously was the name used by the recently moved Google TV (discontinued), and was recreated today as a new article by an editor who thought Google TV was a successor service to Play Movies & TV). Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 23:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support @Y2kcrazyjoker4: Yeah, that was my bad. Thanks for fixing that. If it was confirmed, shouldn't we just move it the the correct title? There doesn't seem to be a need for a consensus for this one. Thanks, EDG 543 (talk) 00:23, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to move this article to Google TV, but as I expected, I got an error message since there was already an article at the destination. An administrator would need to facilitate this for us. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 00:37, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try something. Thanks, EDG 543 (talk) 00:39, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 01:25, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Old wikilinks pointing to Google TV

I was not involved with the move of Google TV to Google TV (discontinued), so I'm concerned that some of the old wikilinks that were meant to point to the smart TV platform would now be pointing to the article for the former Play Movies & TV service. Does anyone know if the previous article move would have affected the wikilinking in other articles at all? Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 01:56, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Y2kcrazyjoker4: no worries, I checked the WhatLinksHere page and everything appears to be okay. P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 02:09, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Paine Ellsworth: OK, but the issue is everything that still links to Google TV and should be linking to Google TV (smart TV platform). I don't know how to filter out all the extraneous articles showing on that page due to navbox templates, so the true list of articles with bad wikilinks remains unclear to me. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 15:09, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That would have to be done link by link, and it would take some reading to determine for certain which article each one should link to. There are presently just under 2,000 links to Google TV. That's a daunting, Wikignomish undertaking which would require knowledge of both subjects, the old Google TV and the new. P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 20:46, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Should this article include Google TV (the layer on top of Android TV in a Chromecast for now, and more broadly Android TV in the future)?

There is currently no mention of running the (new) Google TV in a Chromecast https://store.google.com/product/chromecast_google_tv

The Android TV Wiki page simply mentions it is a replacement for the (old) Google TV, but doesn't discuss the (new) Google TV is a layer inside the new Chromecast. Also (new) Google TV will come to additional Android TV devices in the future.

https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/09/30/google-tv-is-the-future-of-android-tv-but-android-tv-will-still-exist-and-yes-this-is-confusing/ https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Android_TV — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocketwidget (talk • contribs) 14:49, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think that this article should stay as is but be renamed to something like "Google TV (video service)" while the Android TV article should be renamed to Google TV. I can't think of any cases like this off my head. --Pneen (talk) 11:01, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article should splitted into two articles.

After rebranding of Google Play Movies & TV to Google TV (for the users in US) users on Wikipedia got confused and changed Google Play Movies & TV article to Google TV but Google Play Movies & TV is still an active service for other countries except US. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.7.79.97 (talk) 16:27, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Article is so wrong

This article is so wrong. Google TV is not a video on demand service. Just go to tv.google and it explains it. If I search for: 'what is "google tv" ' https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-e&q=what+is+%22google+tv%22 the first link explains it is an interface. Here is the first link: https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/google/154058-what-is-google-tv-how-is-it-different-from-android-tv-how-does-it-work . Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 15:40, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Guess you didn't pay much attention to the article's hatnote, did you? --uKER (talk) 16:58, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Guess you are saying the article is o.k. because the hatnote says it is wrong? Let me be clear:

Google TV (also still known as Google Play Movies & TV in some regions) is an online video on demand service operated by Google

There are plenty of references that say that is wrong as I pointed out at the first of this section. Google TV is an interface, that incorporates many things, once of which is the former Google play Movies, which was a video on demand service. There is now a Google TV app, that incorporates the previous play movies app, but it is not an online video on demand service. It has that feature, but it is more of a content aggregator and recommendation service. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 21:45, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The hatnote doesn't say it's wrong. It just says there's been three different things called Google TV and provides links to the corresponding articles for the other two. For some clarification you can read this. --uKER (talk) 17:55, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the link. The verge article is wrong. There is a single Google TV which is an interface and exists in different forms such as a launcher on TV and an app for android phones. Just to be clear the article is still very wrong. Google TV is not a video on demand service. No where does http://tv.google say it is a video on demand service. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 18:02, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure? Based on everything I can find from Google themselves, Google TV is an app that allows playing Google Play Movies & TV content on Android devices, replacing the Google Play Movies & TV app. I can't find anything saying that the Google Play Movies & TV *service* is now Google TV. Leo60228 (talk) 18:54, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've updated the paragraph on the rebranding to only include what I could find clear sources for (mainly changing the statement that the service was rebranded to the Android app being rebranded). I didn't change the rest of the article, but I can't find anything from Google implying that Google TV is either a replacement for or a rebranding of Google Play Movies & TV. Leo60228 (talk) 19:29, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a definition from the lead of Android TV / Google TV. Quote: Google TV is an experience based on top of Android TV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL2iIMoENko&t=1327 22 minutes into the video. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 18:12, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

According to this article, youtube is the replacement for Play Movies. https://support.google.com/googleplay/thread/102498448?hl=en . Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 23:03, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 4 December 2020

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The result of the move request was: No consensus (non-admin closure) Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ _Talk 18:37, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Google TV → Google Play Movies & TV – Google TV was launched on September 30th, 2020. While there was initially confusion on whether it was a rebranding, successor to, or separate from Google Play Movies & TV, it currently seems clear that Google TV is a separate service from Google TV. As far as I can tell, Google Play Movies & TV has received no changes except for its Android app being replaced with Google TV's. It still exists on the web, iOS, Chrome Web Store, and Roku Channel Store, with no indication that any of these have plans to be replaced. In addition, Google TV's site positions the service as a content aggregator, without even mentioning a streaming service aspect. While several news articles state that Google TV is replacing Google Play Movies & TV, this seems to be speculation, and I can't find any mention of it from Google. Leo60228 (talk) 20:11, 4 December 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. BD2412 T 05:35, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: this was moved just two months ago. If there is confusion about the name, let's wait some time to see what name reliable sources use. Vpab15 (talk) 11:25, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- That logic doesn't really make sense to me. I think that even without current sources, no official source for a rebranding and multiple official sources implying a lack of rebranding outweighs one news article saying that there was a rebranding. In addition, the result of the previous move says "If anyone does have a problem, then we can always reverse this and discuss." Leo60228 (talk) 13:52, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you think there's only one news article to say there was a rebranding, I'm afraid you haven't been paying much attention or done enough research into this subject. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 19:47, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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First two paragraphs of intro are wrong

There are no references. Can we at least get references? Per wikipedia policy WP:PROVEIT content challenged can be deleted. I can add references, but the intro will say something much different. If adding incorrect verge article for reference what happens when I add other references that say something else? Example ref I would use: tv.google . Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 19:00, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:LEDECITE. Also, which statements are you referring to specifically? InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:50, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Which part do you want me to see? This:

there is not, however, an exception to citation requirements specific to leads.

? Just about every statement is incorrect. Lets start at the beginning: "Google TV (formerly known as Google Play Movies & TV)". Wrong. Correct would be to describe this as is described by Google at tv.google. Nothing there says it formally "play movies..." This reference says that Play Movies is no longer available and the replacement is Youtube TV, contradicting the intro: https://support.google.com/googleplay/thread/102498448/changes-to-google-play-movies-tv-on-certain-smart-tvs?hl=en . Nothing is correct in the first two paragraphs because of incorrect assumption talking about play movies. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 18:54, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is exactly why I have requested the page to be moved below, you are confusing the Google TV app/service with the Google TV interface found on Android TV. Everything in the lede paragraphs are extracted from the body of the article, so references are not required per WP:LEDECITE. The part about this service being formerly known as Play Movies & TV is correct, and is sourced in the "Platforms" section as well as the lede itself, actually (see references 1 and 3). The source that you linked is also detailed in the last sentence of the "Platforms" section (see reference 18), which only states that the fuctionality of the Play Movies & TV app is being replaced by YouTube (NOT YouTube TV) on third-party smart TVs, as the Google TV app is not available on those devices. On other devices, including the Google TV interface and Android devices, the service has been renamed Google TV. The website tv.google is also referring to the updated Android TV interface, which you can find more info at Android TV § Google TV interface. Please read the article again, thank you. InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:31, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry WP:LEDECITE does not give an exception. As I already quoted above and will quote again it says:

there is not, however, an exception to citation requirements specific to leads.

Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 02:23, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why you deleted the rest of your response, but it seems you are still confused by the situation. As I wrote above, this source clearly and accurately states that the "Play Movies & TV" app was renamed "Google TV" in September 2020. This source states that the functionality of the app on smart TVs is being integrated into YouTube (again, NOT YouTube TV). It is not saying that it is being renamed "YouTube", please re-read the article. Both sources above are pulled directly from the article, so no one is excempting citation requirements like you suggest. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:48, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 20 November 2021

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It was proposed in this section that Google TV be renamed and moved to Google TV (service).

result:
Moved. There is clear consensus that the term is confusing, and consensus leans towards the absence of a primary topic. Opposition and alternatives received rebuttals with no response, leading to subsequent !votes supporting a move and disambiguation of the base name. Refinement of the disambiguation page and hatnotes to help readers get where they want to be is welcome. (closed by non-admin page mover) -2pou (talk) 19:39, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Google TV → Google TV (service) – The "Google TV" brand is used to refer to three different things: a VOD service formerly known as Google Play Movies & TV (currently located at Google TV), an updated interface of Android TV often used interchangeably with the aforementioned app (currently located at Android TV § Google TV interface), and a defunct operating system for smart TVs axed in 2014 and sometimes confused for the aforementioned interface (currently located at Google TV (operating system)). A quick Google search for "Google TV" indicates that most people are looking for the Android TV interface (because it's the newest), but I'm not convinced that's there is a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC among the three terms, plus I think pointing Google TV to the Android TV interface would only result in more confusion for casual readers. Just look at the numerous past discussions above. Therefore, I propose that this article be moved to Google TV (service), while Google TV becomes a WP:DAB page listing all three uses. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:49, 20 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. Colonestarrice (talk) 05:22, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The current article is a justified primary topic, and the hatnotes are sufficient to indicate the other two meanings. 162 etc. (talk) 17:50, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Trust me, the hatnotes aren't working. I invite you to check out how many times I have reverted users at Google TV (operating system) who mistakenly believe that the article is about the interface, and read the § Article is so wrong and § First two paragraphs of intro are wrong discussions above. If there's a rightful primary topic that would be Android TV § Google TV interface, but again I don't believe redirecting to a section will eliminate any confusion. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:57, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support the OS gets 4,240 views compared with 5,737[[1]] for this one, no clear primary topic. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:04, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Alternate suggestion. The old Google Play Movies is defunct. Functionality was absorved by google tv interface. I don't believe a DAB page is the correct thing to do. Google TV is only one thing right now as defined at tv.google. The old play movies article can be renamed back to play movies or be a subsection of google.tv. Again, there is only one google.tv it absorbed play movies functionality and there should only be one article about google.tv Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 02:19, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As I have explained in great detail in the other discussion above, Daniel.Cardenas is mistaken. The Google TV service is separate from the Google TV interface, while sources in the article clearly state that the service was renamed from Play Movies & TV to Google TV. Additionally, tv.google is for the interface and not the app. Once again, this exemplifies the confusion among readers that I was alluding to. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:52, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm recusing from voting on this, but I have no idea what any of these are. I would expect the primary topic to be either YouTube TV or a line of physical smart TVs (Best Buy sells a TCL television that claims to be a "Google TV"), but apparently all three(?) of the "Google TV" branded products are other topics. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 20:27, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it's confusing thanks to Google's terrible naming strategy. The TCL smart TVs marketed as "with Google TV" are referring to the Android TV interface, while YouTube TV is a completely unrelated service which just happens to also be owned by Google. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:39, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support move and disambiguate, I don't see a primary topic. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 03:06, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support move and disambiguate. No amount of hatnotes will save the confusion that Google has done for the "Google TV" name. – The Grid (talk) 22:37, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support move and disambiguate. The term Google TV is indeed not that much regularly used for this subject which is not the primary subject for this term. 122.170.51.88 12:40, 14 December 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.170.51.88 (talk) [reply]

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Citation needed

Added citation needed to first sentence, but entire first paragraph needs citations. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 09:37, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently I missed your comment here the other day. @Daniel.Cardenas, do you not think the sentence Google TV offers movies and television shows for purchase or rental, depending on availability. in the § Features section, which has a source, corresponds to the first sentence in the lede? Also, in response to your statement above that but entire first paragraph needs citations, no it doesn't. Everything is covered in the body of the article, so no duplicate citations are needed per WP:LEDECITE. Please familiarize yourself with that guideline, thank you. InfiniteNexus (talk) 14:31, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]