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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
I would like to give you a chance to explain why this belated nomination was presented here. Is there a precedence for this much slack being given regarding eligibility? Others may chime in on this issue.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:20, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Bonnie Tan was created on May 11 with ~215 characters. In May 19, I expanded it to ~648 characters. In May 28, I expanded it to ~1669 characters, over the 1.5k character limit , and over the 5x expansion from May 11. I then nominated it on May 30. This was nominated after 2 days.
Goldwin Monteverde was created on May 22 with ~1225 characters. In May 28-31 I expanded it to ~1817 characters, over the 1.5k limit. I then nominated it on May 30. (May 31st edit was for categorization). This was nominated after 8 days, and that would be okay for me if this article is not bolded, but remains in the hook. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:23, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You have said you would be OK to go forward with Goldwin unbolded, but the one that is too far out of bounds is Bonnie Tan. I could let Goldwin slide by a day I think, but Bonnie Tan has to be unbolded. Please present a new Alternate hook with just Goldwin bolded and let's go forward with that. You will have to get Bonnie Tan promoted at GAC to make it eligible for DYK.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:10, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I thought Tan's article gets into WP:DYKCRIT than Monteverde's. The current blurb should suffice as Monteverde is still boldfaced there, although it can be rewritten to when he is mentioned first... Howard the Duck (talk) 12:39, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, I figured this was less than 1,500 characters when I saw this (I didn't create these two articles), the target was that, considering I expanded it to 1.5k+ ers on May 27 from the stub-quality prior to that. I conceivably could've expanded it to 3.3k+ characters (~648 characters on May 27 -> 3.3k characters on May 30, but I thought 1.5k was the target. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:59, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The problem remains that Bonnie Tan was not a 5x expansion within seven days prior to nomination (or even eight or nine days). What we could allow is if the Tan article were expanded from the 626 prose characters prior to the May 28 expansion (according to DYKcheck) to at least 3130 prose characters, the 5x would be satisfied—we allow people to continue expansion if they accidentally come up short. As Bonnie Tan has 1694 prose characters at the moment, this means nearly doubling the current length by adding 1436 prose characters, and supplying a second QPQ. The other possibility, of course, is to just go with ALT1.
Note to Maury Markowitz: as the Goldwin Monteverde review has not yet addressed the sourcing or neutrality, ALT1 is not good to go because the Monteverde review is currently incomplete. TonyTheTiger, I've removed the icons from the status line of your two DYK checklist reviews and replaced them with the proper entry, the "?" character. Please be sure to use the required characters, and not icons, within the review template, as you continue the review. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:26, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: Goldwin Monteverde is new enough (when posted, ~22-30 May), just long enough, well constructed, good infobox, QPQ complete. Can't speak to the quality of cites, not being familiar with Philipino sports, but they passed the smell test for me. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:06, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
BlueMoonset has presented a second option. You could double the size of Bonnie Tan now during this review to pursue a double hook or you could go with a single hook now, which reserves the right to bring Bonnie Tan to DYK as GA in the future with later expansion.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:58, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is reasonable and can be done (considering the guy won back-to-back titles), but with the alt blurb currently written, he gets in the blurb anyway. Howard the Duck (talk)
Spin.ph is a division of Summit Media, which was the Philippines's largest magazine publisher, until they realized nobody pays for magazines anymore and went 100% online. I've used Spin.ph as references in DYK and even WP:FL before without issues. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:58, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So I've been using another website's character count that doesn't include the footnotes in counting (very handy!), I and I've expanded it to 3,355 characters. This should be good enough. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:19, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:59, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
ALT1: Goldwin Monteverde is new enough (when posted, ~22-30 May), just long enough, well constructed, good infobox, QPQ complete. Can't speak to the quality of cites, not being familiar with Philipino sports, but they passed the smell test for me. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:06, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
ALT1 isn't even in the article. SL93 (talk) 09:35, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
confirmed as a completed 5x expansion – Maury Markowitz, any interesting reviewing? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:43, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
I can now support this nomination with its original main hook.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:41, 30 June 2022 (UTC)