Talk:Golden Eagle Award for Best Foreign Language Film

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Golden Eagle Award for Best Foreign Language Film is a former featured list. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page and why it was removed. If it has improved again to featured list standard, you may renominate the article to become a featured list.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
March 10, 2011	Featured list candidate	Not promoted
August 11, 2012	Featured list candidate	Promoted
April 3, 2017	Featured list removal candidate	Demoted

Current status: Former featured list

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Reference 3 is a nomination. Not the award. Wrong link. Try ref 6. Ref 4 is wrong. It's a nomination page, the King's speech is not even noted on that page. Try ref 49.

Though the problem is that in what little non-list material we have, " It is one of the Golden Eagle Awards, which were conceived by Nikita Mikhalkov as a counterweight to the Nika Award established in 1987 by the Russian Academy of Cinema Arts and Sciences.[1][2]" The first source does not cover the content. The page states, "He also set the Russian Academy Golden Eagle Award in opposition to the traditional Nika Award." Not the Golden Eagle Awards themselves were created by Nikita Mikhalkov as a counterweight to the Nika Award. The second source covers the "established in 1987 by the Russian Academy of Cinema Arts and Sciences" last part adequately.

The prose needs to be fixed, either way it doesn't state Nikita even created it, just that he 'set it' as in this award, not that he created the Golden Eagle Awards. Not sure how this managed escape scrutiny of the reviewers.

I fixed the references and removed the earlier issue until it can be rectified. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:19, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The refs currently used (as of this edit) support the problem sentence. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:53, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 9 includes the nominations, but also noted the winner (see statue after cover), and the titles are in Russian. Replaced that ref, though it also mentioned King's Speech, but in Russian.
Conceived, not created.--Tomcat (7) 16:18, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Conceived implies that he is responsible for its creation. That's the problem. ' To begin or originate in a specific way' and that is the only one which could apply and that is the least used definition. Unless you replace it with 'thought about' in which case that version of conceived is probably fine, but terribly worded. Either way. Let's cut the extra bit about the Nika award, because it could confuse readers into thinking that the Golden Eagle award started in 1987 instead. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:20, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Contextualisation is important, but it needs to be well phrased. I'd keep some for of contextualisation. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:42, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Then split the context of the Nika award to its own sentence? I worry about confusion of the readers. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:56, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Something like this — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:05, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that looks much better. That way it isn't confusing it is remains faithful to the source material. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 15:53, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, you removed a whole text and sources just because of a single word with which you disagree? That is clearly disruptive editing. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 11:54, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

'A whole text'? Try one sentence. Material can be removed temporarily while a fix is undergone, FA articles are held to a higher standard, and that is why I didn't remove the material at Eckfelder while the fixes are requested. It is not disruptive and it was not a key or large portion of the article. I'll make the same changes to the other Golden Eagle page as that is a much better wording. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 15:53, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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