Talk:Going Infinite

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Did you know... that Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, compared a rival author to the subject of both their books, convicted fraudster Sam Bankman-Fried?

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 17:08, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... ~~that Michael Lewis accused the author of a competing book of "trying to torpedo" Going Infinite, comparing the rival author to convicted fraudster Sam Bankman-Fried?~~ Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/06/business/michael-lewis-going-infinite.html In a new book about the crypto bubble, Zeke Faux, a Bloomberg investigative reporter, recounts watching Mr. Lewis “fawning” over Mr. Bankman-Fried during an onstage interview at the Crypto Bahamas conference in 2022. (Reviewers, including at this paper, have compared the two books, giving the advantage to Mr. Faux.) When I mentioned this anecdote over lunch, Mr. Lewis leaned forward. “Here you have a person who’s written a book, and he’s trying to torpedo a rival book before it comes out?” he said. “That’s shocking. Talk about corrupt! So who do I think is more skeevy, Sam or him? I’d have to think about that.”
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Created by Thriley (talk). 5X expanded by Coretheapple (talk). Nominated by Coretheapple (talk) at 21:15, 6 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Going Infinite: The Rise and Fall of a New Tycoon; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

@Coretheapple: Thank you for nominating! Would a link to Number Go Up in the hook be a good idea? Or is it not worth it as it’s just a stub? Thriley (talk) 21:22, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea. I didn't notice that stub. Added. Coretheapple (talk) 22:52, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The current hook is 230 characters, way over the limit of 200. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:03, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed now, I think. Coretheapple (talk) 13:48, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's 198 now. Thanks for taking care of it. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 14:27, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've added myself as second author based upon my writing most of the current text. This is the first time I've nominated an article I've expanded that was recently authored by someone else, so kindly advise if I've handled that correctly. Coretheapple (talk) 17:06, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Everything was handled correctly. You nominated the article less than a week after it was created. Thriley (talk) 04:54, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I wasn't clear, as I think this may have been the first time I ever nominated a new article that I hadn't created myself. Coretheapple (talk) 16:35, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
New enough, long enough. Hook's still quite long, I'd end it at "Going Infinite", and I probably would link that stub. No maintenance templates found and QPQ done. There are an awful lot of quotes here; fine in reception sections but I think you can put the Synopsis section in Wikivoice.--Laun chba ller 09:51, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I think that is a good idea. Coretheapple (talk) 15:07, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Thriley and Coretheapple: I still think there are too many quotes in the Synopsis section. Can this be addressed?--Laun chba ller 11:09, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Launchballer I tried to address that. Yes, somewhat more quotes than usual in a symposis. Coretheapple (talk) 15:03, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Coretheapple I've taken the liberty of rewording it myself. I'll probably have to call for a new reviewer, but do take a look.--Laun chba ller 19:06, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Launchballer Looks fine to me. Coretheapple (talk) 21:12, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can another reviewer approve this?--Laun chba ller 23:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed the hook from accused to convicted. Since the nomination Bankman-Fried has been convicted of fraud. Thriley (talk) 04:21, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You really should add a reference in the article to that effect.--Laun chba ller 04:36, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just added that. Thriley (talk) 04:50, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very good. Still need another reviewer.--Laun chba ller 04:52, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 ... that a reviewer of Going Infinite, about convicted fraudster Sam Bankman-Fried, felt that the book didn’t do an adequate job of telling "how this bizarre child-man was able to seduce so many people"? Thriley (talk) 05:12, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd favor the "torpedo" one. Has more pizzazz. But I guess Alt 1 is OK too, if that is the consensus. Coretheapple (talk) 14:59, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given that "Hooks that unduly focus on negative aspects of living persons should be avoided", ALT0 should probably be struck, since it focuses on Lewis trash-talking another author. I'm not sure if if could be rephrased in a more acceptable way, possibly by moving the focus to Lewis rather than his target? What do people think of ALT0a ... that Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, compared a rival author to the subject of both their books, Sam Bankman-Fried? Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 21:40, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not bad, could do with some context as to who Bankman-Fried is for those unfamiliar. I've taken the liberty of moving your comment to the bottom of this for reasons of chronology. I propose:

ALT0b ... that Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, compared a rival author to the subject of both their books, convicted fraudster Sam Bankman-Fried?--Laun chba ller 22:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0b:

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:

Le Loy (talk) 23:52, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scathing review: If Books Could Kill

The podcast If Books Could Kill devoted an episode to Going Infinite in which the two podcasters rake Lewis over the coals for being so gullible during the writing of the book, and for continuing to defend SBF after he was convicted of fraud. It's worth a listen if you have 75 minutes. Lots of quotable bits in there. Binksternet (talk) 05:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]