Talk:Glenden, Queensland
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Geographical coordinates
[edit]I’m going to delete these soon, unless there are any objections. They are of no useful purpose, since nowhere is hard to find in Glenden. Schools can’t hide. Boscaswell talk 01:23, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Boscaswell: Well, I do object as previously indicated at other talk pages where you have raised this issue, e.g Category Talk:Towns in Queensland and I think going to random article talk pages to propose it is not in the spririt of consensus building. Kerry (talk) 04:44, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
- Kerry Raymond well this time you did alert me to your reply, so I have seen it. Thank you. But you can’t have done so in your response on Category Talk:Towns in Queensland, which lack, following your reasoning, was not in the spirit of consensus building. I did check that Talk page several days after my original post but saw nothing, and as I had not been alerted to anything, I have added these allegedly random notices on Talk pages. But they are not random. They are on the Talk pages of articles where the use of geographical coordinates looks particularly ridiculous. Like this one, where the mine might be hard to find. Apparently. But obviously isn’t. Readers seeing them will think that the people who put Wikipedia together aren’t thinking straight. "Hey look here, mate! They’ve only gone and put in geographical coordinates for the mine? What the..? Do they think we’re idiots?"
- I ask again, what is more important? Useful and interesting information, excellent readability, good grammar? Or geographical coordinates of places which are and won’t for the foreseeable future be the slightest bit hard to find? I know what must people will answer to that question. All the best to you. Boscaswell talk 06:52, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Boscaswell: I wrongly assumed you used watchlists for talk pages on which you were expecting responses, so assumed you saw my response and were satisfied with it. Evidently we have different communication styles on Wikipedia and this has led to misunderstandings on both sides. Let us agree that this is so and move forward. However, as I explained on Category Talk:Towns in Queensland, coordinates are important to history and geography as they are a long-term viable description of where something is. In 24 hours, today becomes tomorrow's history. That's why it's important to document things now, so the information will be there for the future. In my experience of Queensland places and Queensland government databases, once things close, they can become hard to find very hard to find, contrary to your assertion. Take closed schools for example. Their website disappears within a year or so, they are removed from the school layers on Qld Globe (the authorative spatial information service), they drop off the ACARA data too. After a few short years, it becomes quite difficult to find them unless you are a local for whom it is "common knowledge". There are many books written to celebrate the centenary (or other significant anniversary) for schools which are now closed and, despite having many of pages of information about many aspects of the school's life (complete lists of teachers, students, etc), often they don't say where it was. It was "obvious" then, but it's not "obvious" now. In researching Queensland history and geography for Wikipedia, I frequently encounter these problems, despite having access to many historic maps of Queensland. I find coords useful and interesting for history and geography and they are not contrary to policy. If you don't like coordinates, well that's no different to my not liking football. But not liking something isn't grounds for deleting it from an article. I don't remove football information from articles because I don't find it useful and interesting because there is no policy justification for my doing so on the basis of "I'm not interested" and of course I realise other people do find football interesting. Live and let live. There are a lot of coords in Queensland place articles because I write a lot of the content of such articles. Some articles contain a lot more football content because they are written more by people who like football. But, there are over 6 million articles on English Wikipedia and many won't contain any coords at all. I feel there's plenty of scope for your interests in copyediting and mine in coords that don't need to collide. Kerry (talk) 08:04, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
- Kerry Raymond Fair enough. Peace. Happy days. Boscaswell talk 00:04, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Boscaswell: I wrongly assumed you used watchlists for talk pages on which you were expecting responses, so assumed you saw my response and were satisfied with it. Evidently we have different communication styles on Wikipedia and this has led to misunderstandings on both sides. Let us agree that this is so and move forward. However, as I explained on Category Talk:Towns in Queensland, coordinates are important to history and geography as they are a long-term viable description of where something is. In 24 hours, today becomes tomorrow's history. That's why it's important to document things now, so the information will be there for the future. In my experience of Queensland places and Queensland government databases, once things close, they can become hard to find very hard to find, contrary to your assertion. Take closed schools for example. Their website disappears within a year or so, they are removed from the school layers on Qld Globe (the authorative spatial information service), they drop off the ACARA data too. After a few short years, it becomes quite difficult to find them unless you are a local for whom it is "common knowledge". There are many books written to celebrate the centenary (or other significant anniversary) for schools which are now closed and, despite having many of pages of information about many aspects of the school's life (complete lists of teachers, students, etc), often they don't say where it was. It was "obvious" then, but it's not "obvious" now. In researching Queensland history and geography for Wikipedia, I frequently encounter these problems, despite having access to many historic maps of Queensland. I find coords useful and interesting for history and geography and they are not contrary to policy. If you don't like coordinates, well that's no different to my not liking football. But not liking something isn't grounds for deleting it from an article. I don't remove football information from articles because I don't find it useful and interesting because there is no policy justification for my doing so on the basis of "I'm not interested" and of course I realise other people do find football interesting. Live and let live. There are a lot of coords in Queensland place articles because I write a lot of the content of such articles. Some articles contain a lot more football content because they are written more by people who like football. But, there are over 6 million articles on English Wikipedia and many won't contain any coords at all. I feel there's plenty of scope for your interests in copyediting and mine in coords that don't need to collide. Kerry (talk) 08:04, 30 January 2023 (UTC)