Talk:Glass production/Archive 1

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I think the article should be renamed to Glass container production because it is stated already in the introduction: "This article deals with the mass production of the common glass bottle or jar." The article does not contain an overview about the industry itself, e.g., important companies, production volumes, sales, etc. Therefore, the current title is misleading. -- Afluegel (talk) 10:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Just moved the page. -- Afluegel (talk) 18:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the article should be renamed Glass container production because 1) The section for Float glass is empty 2) There is no section for Pressed glass (or moulded glass) production 3) There's no discussion of modern methods for the production of glass stemware. 4) There is a good article on Glassblowing which is another production method and it should be mentioned and linked to, in a proper general article on Glass production. 5) There are several less well known glass production methods such as spinning, casting and centrifugal which are also unmentioned. 6) As pointed out by Afluegel this article deals only with Glass container production methods although the environmental impact sections would apply to many Production methods sand so should be left in a general article named Glass production. I note that it has been over two years since Afleugel's posting and yet no action has been taken. I do not know or understand what effect his "move" had.--Morrisque (talk) 13:59, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

External link removed

• Abanonded Glass Plant

not related to content + non existing page

Ste nohype (talk) 09:09, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Coloured glass

Copy from my talk page -- Afluegel (talk - WP Glass) 19:16, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

The bit that you moved to stained glass... Can we illustrate it with pictures of stained glass windows that use the various colours? Some of the info that it contains pertains specifically to bottles and the like. Is none of it relevant to the page that it came from? A person wanting to know how green bottles are coloured probably wouldn't look on the stained glass page.

Also, a new editor created a page on Medieval stained glass. This has probably come to your notice. Ther has been suggestions of a merge. In fact, it is an important article that needs to be greatly extended.

Amandajm (talk) 09:59, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I just took a look at the Glass production page. I don't agree with the entire removal of all the information regarding colour from that page. I think that colour need s to be incorporated, because commercially produced containers are often coloured. The section 'Colour should be reinstated and a new lead paragraph should be written. The lead paragraph needs to reflect the fact that this is specifically commercially produced containers that are being described. There then needs to be detailed the sorts of colours which may naturally occur in glass, and those colours which are deliberately added to jars, wine and beer bottles, blue medicinal containers etc. This is part of the commercial production of glass.

Also, the division of the article into a mmajor section and a second section that simply redirects is a very clumsy way of handling the two common types of glass production. I would tend to rename the article 'Glass container production.

The two articles can be linked by See also

Amandajm (talk) 10:17, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Originally, the glass color section came from the article Glass. Then it was moved 1-2 years ago to Glass production because the glass article seemed too long, not because Glass production is a particular good destination. The color section contains much useful information relevant to commercial glass colors and to glass used in art. Only the commercial part would fit into the article Glass production, I think. All right, I understand, that exactly this commercial part does not fit well into the article Stained glass. Therefore I would suggest the following: We create a new article "Glass coloring" or similar, move the entire section there, and the existing articles Glass, Glass production, and Stained glass just keep a part of it and refer otherwise to the main article "Glass coloring".--Afluegel (talk - WP Glass) 11:02, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Concerning you other comments about the article Glass production: It original title was "Glass container industry", then it changed to "Glass container production" (which I agree is the best title now, given the content). Finally the title changed to "Glass production" with the intention to expand the float glass section and to introduce something about fiberglass production. OK, the plan did not come true so far, but still, the plan is somewhat reasonable because large-scale glass furnaces are rather similar, and only the forming and surface treatment part would need to be independently described. In addition, the articles Float glass and Fiberglass do not mention much about the glass furnaces. Nevertheless, the article Glass production still needs lots of work; I will try to get more attention for it.--Afluegel (talk - WP Glass) 11:14, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

• Re Glass production, I would leave it as a separate article and give it a more appropriate name.
• Re colours, I think that a separate article would go well, and require very little work.
• When the stuff is included under container production, the the fact that it begins with a statement that "glass can be coloured, eg "Ruby glass" which uses gold, then this example draws it a long way from glass bottle and jar production. It is a very bad example to have first, in that context. However, a brief description of the colouring agents commonly used in bottles and jars, and a "Main article" tag to an article on glass colours would be good.
• Our new editor (Oh Dear, I keep forgetting her name, is it Heather) has done such a good job of describing the colours used for ancient glass that I think that part needs to remain intact in the Medieval stained glass article.
• We need to rationlise the "furnace" problem. Should it be under the general Glass article. I will go around and check the traps and see what is where. And get back to you.

Amandajm (talk) 02:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I nearly agree with everything and will start get working. Just the glass melting in large-scale industrial furnaces would possibly be too much for the main glass article. Therefore, we could have articles for glass melting (describing the big furnaces), and separated from it glass container production (including only the container forming and surface treatment), float glass, fiberglass, optical fiber etc.--Afluegel (talk - WP Glass) 05:34, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I created the article Glass coloring and marking - it still needs some work, however. Concerning the article Glass production, I copied first this discussion here on its talk page, in case other editors have comments.--Afluegel (talk - WP Glass) 19:11, 13 April 2009 (UTC)