Talk:Giovani dos Santos

Poorly Worded

What's with the grammar on this page? Many parts are gramatically incorrect.

well, that's why you're free to edit and correct instead of complaining... by the way, it's GRAMMATICALLY not GRAMATICALLY.

Giovanni's mother ancestry

Giovanni's mother is not Afro-Mexican, and therefore I'm gonna remove that. I've seen her many times and if you want to profile her on an specif race or ethnic group, it has to be Euro-Mexican, because the women is very white. Giovanni and his brothers clearly took their skin color from his father. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 189.146.74.213 (talk) 19:45, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

• Who said she's Afro-Mexican? That category is there for Giovanni, because he is Mexican and has African ancestry, passed down by his dad, regardless of where he's originally from. -- Lancini87 01:48, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, nevermind, i just noticed you were actually talking about the article and not the category. -- Lancini87 01:51, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Question

It is probably unpropre to ask this (because of all these strict wikilaws) but could someone do a favour and add a picture of "Giova" in Finnish (Suomi) Giovanni dos Santos wikipage?

Barcelona

Are Giovanni's appearances and goals for FC Barcelona displayed correctly in the article? It seems to say he's had 9 goals on 12 appearences (or viceversa) for the Spanish club. I wonder if this is true at all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.148.15.22 (talk) 11:29:08, August 19, 2007 (UTC)

He certainly has not appeared 9 times and scored 12 in competitive games, much less in league games. As of right now he has played in 1 league game, failing to score, and has not played in any other competitions for the first team. His Barcelona B stats, however, are certainly different. I just added a table for all of his matches, but it doesn't include Barca B. So if anyone can find those stats and wants to add it to the table, that would be great. Isaiah 20:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

He scored in a champions league match, so his total is more than three, plus the ones he scored in asia in 2007..........

Barca B stats

Shouldn't be added to the infobox. This is now a reserve team and we do not record reserve stats in the infobox. Govvy (talk) 21:08, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Moving from Monterrey to Barcelona

This article says nothing of how Giova got to play for Barcelona. As I don't have that information, I can't edit the article, but I think it is something that should be mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.124.48.123 (talk) 21:30, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Giovani Is A Tottenham Player.

The official website of FCB states that the player has been moved to England. Please, allow someone to fix this. It is wrong to simply delete information that its proof is found 2 clicks away. הגמל התימני (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 11:38, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

As the Barcelona website says on his transfer to Tottenham, "an agreement for the transfer of Giovani Dos Santos" - therefore, he hasn't yet joined Tottenham and so isn't a Tottenham player and still Barcelona. Mattythewhite (talk) 12:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

It's only a matter of time until it is 100% official, as all news sites, including Barcelona's mention that he will sign, meaning, he is going to be a Tottenham player 100% surely. It's like not writing about CL 2009 final because it hasn't happened yet. הגמל התימני (talk) 13:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Exactly - he will sign, but he hasn't yet. It is only a matter of time, but that time has not yet arrived. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

So why was it written that Guardiola will be Barca's coach, when the season was still going? And I once again want to point out future projects and event that we have written about in Wikipedia. Why do they get attention, and not Giovani's transfer? הגמל התימני (talk) 13:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

There's no problem with it being written that something is going to happen, of course, for example, it needs to be mentioned on Giovani's article that a fee has been agreed for his transfer and that it is subject to a medical and agreeing personal terms. It is important that this is mentioned, as these are the facts, so there is attention being given to Giovani's proposed transfer. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Tottenham Have Now Officiall Confirmed on there website that he has joined Tottenham and has agreed Personal Terms and Completed A Medical [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.69.39.210 (talk) 14:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Yup - now he has completed his move - the article should be updated so. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank You And What If Someone disputes it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.69.39.210 (talk) 14:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I doubt anyone will - the deal has been completed, and so is now a Tottenham player. The only reason why it was disputed was because the move was not 100%, but now it is. Quite strange this conversation took place just before the move was completed... Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 14:22, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Told ya ;). Anyway, a similar problem exists here: Tim Borowski so I suggest you go and delete that info there too :P. הגמל התימני (talk) 16:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

What you "told me" before was incorrect then, but is now correct as the move has gone through. Seem to be struggling to get your head round that. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

It has been correct for several days. Seem to be struggling to get your head round that. הגמל התימני (talk) 17:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Several days ago, he was a Barcelona player as his move to Tottenham has not yet been completed and was still waiting for him to pass a medical and agree personal terms. Therefore, "it" has not been correct for several days. Anyway, it doesn't matter now - the move has been completed and the page now needs unprotecting. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Age?

On the article he is listed as being Tottenhams highest paid under 18... yet he is blatently over the age of 18... anybody want to correct this? user: moore.jonathan 11:53, 13 June 2008 (UTC).

I didnt see any reference to what his best positions are or what foot he plays with.

Link: http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/articles/giovanicompletesmove100608.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidson9 (talk • contribs) 20:53, 10 June 2008 (UTC) I

Dos capitalized.

the Spurs website has it wrong, it should be capitalized. Govvy (talk) 21:03, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Why should it be capitalised? Gerardo dos Santos, Éder dos Santos and Jonathan dos Santos are not capitalised. None of the other notable dos Santos have a capital D. --ClubOranje^T 07:41, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Only in title should it be capitalized. And Dos should be capped if starting a sentence with the Surname. It is a bit strange, because dos was only used between surname and first name to imply protection of a family member in the event of the father dieing. Although that was a difference between Portugese and Spanish customs, but it's never been totally clarified. However it might be a different naming convention to what I know. But as he is Mexican it might be closer to what I learned from my Spanish ancestry. Govvy (talk) 21:57, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree it should be capitalised when starting a sentence, but not in the title. To my mind it is generally per the "van" in dutch, "von" in german, "de" in French, ie with a lower case letter, and generally seems to be explained that way in various articles on the subject. Not that I have any particular expertise myself in Spanish surname idiosyncrasies. --ClubOranje^T 00:05, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

• As the page has now been moved back to Giovani dos Santos, here is a courtesy link to discussion on move reasoning where a little more input contributed to consensus--ClubOranje^T 12:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Ipswich sub-heading

I have tried to add a sub heading in the playing career part that clearly focuses on his spell with Ipswich Town. Yet, someone keeps removing it, which is getting incredibly annoying now, as it is without doubt that he was on loan at Ipswich. Does this not count as valid to someone? Loan spells certainly warrant a sub-heading, because you only have to look at other articles. For example; on the Henrik Larsson page, there is a sub-heading for his loan spell at Manchester United. The Lee Martin page clearly highlights all of his loan spells, whilst the Amr Zaki page also has a clear sub-heading for his loan spell with Wigan. So why can Giovani dos Santos not have a sub-heading for his spell at Ipswich? Its a farce. (Just-an-Ipswich-fan (talk) 21:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC))

One paragraph doesn't need a sub heading, besides, he is under contract at Spurs, leave it in the Spurs section. Govvy (talk) 18:09, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Giovanni Dos Santos Join Galatasaray Istanbul

The Tothenham Midfielder player(Giovanni Dos Santos) Joining Istanbul since 2009 summer...

Erm, he isn't, staying at Spurs. Govvy (talk) 18:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Galatasaray —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aslan201095 (talk • contribs) 10:26, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Do not delete the official Club' s link

The message is clear! Don' t do this! Sultaniman (talk) 13:56, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Having a third party source, e.g. a newspaper website, is much more reliable. Note that you do not own the page.Dancarney (talk) 14:00, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Giovani redirect page

Should that be turned into a disambiguation page as it appears there isn't one and quite a few articles do feature the word in their title. VEO15 (talk) 13:53, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Place of Birth

He wasn't born at Monterrey, he and his 2 brothers were born at Mexico City He (Giovani) just said this at an interview with Televisa Deportes (mexican sport's tv program)Johav (talk) 07:08, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

He was born in Mexico City and raised in Monterrey, he has stated that in several interviews.Bjonic (talk) 16:35, 07 June 2010 (UTC)

As far as I can tell almost every website, including some official team sites ( Footballdatabase.com, Soccerbase.com, Galatasaray Official site and Barcelona Official site to name a few ) have him as being born in Monterrey. Regards --Bocafan76 (talk) 17:32, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Current Club

In the introduction it says that he plays for Tottenham Hotspurs, but he actually plays for Galatasaray Istanbul! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.39.9.75 (talk) 10:38, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Nope, his parent club is Tottenham, he has returned from his loan spell and gone with Mexico to the world cup. Govvy (talk) 23:12, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Contract value at Tottenham.

Attention IP users that claim a 13.3million sum: the references provided this one and ...

(inserted by IP) Newspaper TELEGRAPH all we know that it is a newspaper, sensationalist, with very little credibillidad, so that this focused but to notes of the spectacle of artists, gadgets etc and continuously they copy bad notes of the press SPECIALIZED in SOCCER, that in this case is SOCCERWAY /very recognized by its VERACITY and its total CREDIBILITY, furthermore all, some you see he was to us useful as average of consultation to say the minus http://www.soccerway.com/news/2010/January/26/galatasaray-set-for-giovani-loan-swoop/

(inserted by IP)Oraje club By all means SOCCERWAY is a library of World-wide soccer .....

(inserted by IP)the amount of 13,3 is the sum of the payment 8,6 initials and 4,7 of stimuli of yield of the player, if you have calculator adds the two amounts are 13.3 What is the problem to add and to arrive at the 13,3? all along the played Goals, attendances, parties etc are added

(inserted by IP)Newspaper TELEGRAPH all we know that it is a newspaper, sensationalist, with very little credibillidad, so that this focused but to notes of the spectacle of artists, gadgets etc and continuously they copy bad notes of the press SPECIALIZED in SOCCER, that in this case is SOCCERWAY /very recognized by its VERACITY and its total CREDIBILITY, furthermore all, some you see he was to us useful as average of consultation to say the minus

(continuation of original post)... this one both say that the TOTAL deal is for £8.6million. They also say the Tottenham paid "£4.7 million initially" ("£4.7 million up front"in the other article). In Inglish, this is clearly deciphered as being a part of the £8.6 million, not additional to. There is no mention of £13.3 million anywhere as the deal was not worth 13.3 million.--ClubOranje^T 08:15, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Oraje club the bad interpretation that your you grant to him to the word TO STIMULATE is only yours, I repeat yours unique, To stimulate is to stimulate the yield of the player in the field that is the 4.7 and the initial payment was of 8,6 is very clear, to sum up the TWO AMOUNTS are total are 13,3, I do not understand, so that being excessively clear, you have doubts, on the matter, What is your eagerness TO CREDIT an OFFENSE to Mexico or to the Player?

this one from FC Barcelona, in a deal that saw Tottenham pay total £13.3 million in a deal initially worth £8.6million.While, Spurs paid £4.7 million .[7][8] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.92.97.42 (talk) 08:19, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Oraje club the amount of 13,3 is the sum of the payment 8,6 initials and 4,7 of stimuli of yield of the player, if you have calculator adds the two amounts are 13.3 What is the problem to add and to arrive at the 13,3? all along the played Goals, attendances, parties etc are added

"The 20-year-old has struggled to make an impact since his move from Barcelona in a deal worth £8.6million.While, Spurs paid £4.7million up front for Giovani, he could not break into the starting XI when Harry Redknapp took over from Juande Ramos as manager and he was loaned to Ipswich for the final part of last season."

Where exactly does it state 13.3 million in that?--ClubOranje^T 08:24, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Oraje club the bad interpretation that your you grant to him to the word TO STIMULATE is only yours, I repeat yours unique, To stimulate is to stimulate the yield of the player in the field that is the 4.7 and the initial payment was of 8,6 is very clear, to sum up the TWO AMOUNTS are total are 13,3, I do not understand, so that being excessively clear, you have doubts, on the matter, What is your eagerness TO CREDIT an OFFENSE to Mexico or to the Player? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.77.28.126 (talk) 08:43, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Newspaper TELEGRAPH all we know that it is a newspaper, sensationalist, with very little credibillidad, so that this focused but to notes of the spectacle of artists, gadgets etc and continuously they copy bad notes of the press SPECIALIZED in SOCCER, that in this case is SOCCERWAY /very recognized by its VERACITY and its total CREDIBILITY, furthermore all, some you see he was to us useful as average of consultation to say the minus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.77.28.126 (talk) 09:17, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

By all means SOCCERWAY is a library of World-wide soccer .....

Any person with a competent level of English would interpret the soccerway source as saying the deal is worth a total of 8.6M and that the 4.7M is part of the 8.6M. Note that the word "initially" never appeared before 8.6M. "The 20-year-old has struggled to make an impact since his move from Barcelona in a deal worth £8.6million", not 13.3 million.

At any rate, none of the sources explicitly say the deal is worth 13.3M. To add the figures together clearly violates the policy on synthesis of published material that advances a position.

With due respect, I observe that the IP user does not seem adept at English. ClubOranje and I are acting in complete good faith and we are just putting forward the most reasonable construction for the sources.

If you have any lingering doubts about our opinions, you are free to seek the comments of an administrator. Craddocktm (talk) 08:51, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

• IP user 200.77.28.126, could you please advise which Translation software you are using to convert the English text to Spanish? "STIMULATE" is a word only you have used and I do not see where that comes from or understand what it means in this context, so conclude that you are translating the page and getting a poor translation.--ClubOranje^T 08:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Oraje club the amount of 13,3 is the sum of the payment 8,6 initials and 4,7 of stimuli of yield of the player, if you have calculator adds the two amounts are 13.3 What is the problem to add and to arrive at the 13,3? all along the played Goals, attendances, parties etc are added

Newspaper TELEGRAPH all we know that it is a amarillista newspaper, sensationalist, with very little credibillidad, so that this focused but to notes of the spectacle of artists, gadgets etc and continuously they copy bad notes of the press SPECIALIZED in SOCCER, that in this case is SOCCERWAY /muy recognized by its VERACITY and its total CREDIBILITY, furthermore all, some you see he was to us useful as average of consultation to say the minus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.77.28.126 (talk) 09:12, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Are you saying that SOCCERWAY is very credible and reliable and we should go with what is stated in their article?--ClubOranje^T 09:21, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

By all means SOCCERWAY is a library of World-wide soccer ..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.77.28.126 (talk) 09:45, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I would say Telegraph is more reliable than Soccerway, but the 2 sources are consistent anyway. What's the fuss?Craddocktm (talk) 09:39, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I pulled an article from the BBC, which confirms my interpretation of Soccerway and the Telegraph: [2]. As far as I know, the BBC hardly ever publishes trash.Craddocktm (talk) 09:42, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Newspaper TELEGRAPH all we know that it is a amarillista newspaper, sensationalist, with very little credibillidad, so that this focused but to notes of the spectacle of artists, gadgets etc and continuously they copy bad notes of the press SPECIALIZED in SOCCER, that in this case is SOCCERWAY /muy recognized by its VERACITY and its total CREDIBILITY, furthermore all, some you see he was to us useful as average of consultation to say the minus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.77.28.126 (talk) 09:51, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

goal.com footballfancast soccerlens soccerbible The Guardian BBC Mirror Soccer365 FIFA and FC Barcelona themselves all show a maximum total of £8.6million, being six million Euros (£4.7million) plus another five million Euros (£3.9million) depending on appearances. Since they all agree with Soccerway and you agree that Soccerway is a reliable source, we'll change the article to reflect this then shall we?--ClubOranje^T 09:56, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

This IP user is a complete joke. Why don't you check the Barcelona spanish website before arguing for your 13.3M any further? He's disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.

I would suggest quoting Barcelona: "for a fee 6 million euros plus another 5 million depending on the player’s appearances"Craddocktm (talk) 10:02, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

ORACLE CLUB WARNING HOLDS ALREADY, OR WE WILL BEGIN TO REQUEST SUPPORT SO THAT THEY DECLARE TO YOU ......... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.161.188.118 (talk) 15:13, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Warning Holds Orancle club already, which these doing is Vandalism —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.77.28.126 (talk) 15:22, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

ORACLE CLUB WARNING HOLDS ALREADY, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.92.97.42 (talk) 15:34, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

76 Bocafan or Oracle Club possible puppet, already I see, you are of Argentine origin it imagines it to me, and it is of the knowledge of all the Mexican community that feels a rivalry with the enormous one. what these doing are well, really terrible, is pure vandalism with credential. That RIVALRY, DOES NOT ALLOW to see the things you with CLARITY becomes cloudy the Reason to them, the ideas have been run out them, and look for hopelessly the IMPOSITION, an eagerness to find notes and but notes with null credibility, Originally this the SOCCERWAY note, that is a REFERENCE, nobody can doubt, of their CREDIBILIDADy but important the their NEUTRALITY, but of ARBITRARY way these doing it to a side ......... in that eagerness to discredit the Player. I am INCONFORME and so these doing, I am going to ask SUPPORT, to ranks with but Hierarchies, so that they solve this WAR that they have initiated ....... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.92.97.42 (talk) 16:13, 20 July 2010 (UTC) http://www.soccerway.com/news/2010/January/26/galatasaray-set-for-giovani-loan-swoop/Oraje/

Oh my. If you are Spanish, why don't you read this from FC Barcelona: [3].Craddocktm (talk) 16:16, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

76 Bocafan or Club Oracle or Craddocktm possible puppet, already I see, you are of Argentine origin it imagines it to me, and it is of the knowledge of all the Mexican community that feels a rivalry with the enormous one. what these doing are well, really terrible, is pure vandalism with credential. That RIVALRY, DOES NOT ALLOW to see the things you with CLARITY becomes cloudy the Reason to them, the ideas have been run out them, and look for hopelessly the IMPOSITION, an eagerness to find notes and but notes with null credibility, Originally this the SOCCERWAY note, that is a REFERENCE, nobody can doubt, of their CREDIBILIDADy but important the their NEUTRALITY, but of ARBITRARY way these doing it to a side ......... in that eagerness to discredit the Player. I am INCONFORME and so these doing, I am going to ask SUPPORT, to ranks with but Hierarchies, so that they solve this WAR that they have initiated ....... -->http://www.soccerway.com/news/2010/January/26/galatasaray-set-for-giovani-loan-swoop/Oraje/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.92.97.42 (talk) 17:22, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I cannot think what this happening, have KIDNAPPED east SITE, the gentlemen 76Bocafan or Oracle Club or Craddocktm, PUBLISHING of UNILATERAL form, without giving opportunity to the Wikipedia community in being able TO EXPRESS its OPINIONS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.161.177.29 (talk) 07:42, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

• Please stop accusing users of being "Puppets" without evidence. If you continue to do so I will consider it a personal attack as the edit histories of the other users and myself clearly do not support such a claim.
• Please read WP:TALK for information regarding acceptable behaviour on talk pages
• Please stop posting the same comments multiple times.
• Please be careful where you insert your comments - it is rude to insert in the middle of another users comment and can give a fals impression as to who said what.
• Please sign your posts by typing "~~~~" after your comment.
• (posted here rather than user:talk as IP user appears to post from 189.161.177.29, 200.92.97.42, and 200.77.28.126 and possibly others) Thank you.--ClubOranje^T 10:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

You have your opportunity to comment on the article content here. If you want to express your opinions, get a facebook, twitter, or myspace account. This is an encyclopaedia. Multiple users have tried to explain to you that you have misinterpreted information and you refuse to listen. There is a Spanish language encyclopaedia you can try to put the mistaken information on. Try that and listen to what the experienced serious users tell you there. This link will take you directly to Dos Santos' page.--ClubOranje^T 10:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

THE VALUE OF THE TRANSFERENCE WOULD NOT BE MENTIONED WHILE THEY ARE NOT AGREED —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.196.27.98 (talk) 02:14, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

The value has been and the value is mentioned - quite clearly and explicitly - in the reference provided--ClubOranje^T 03:03, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

THE VALUE OF THE TRANSFERENCE WOULD NOT BE MENTIONED WHILE THEY ARE NOT AGREED http://www.soccerway.com/news/2010/January/26/galatasaray-set-for-giovani-loan-swoop/ Barcelona in a deal worth £8.6million. While, Spurs paid £4.7million —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.196.27.98 (talk) 07:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

It is INCREDIBLE what HAPPENS in this SITE, is KIDNAPPED, BY a Puppet POSSIBLY 76Bocafan, Oracle Club or Craddocktm, that is dedicated To publish of UNILATERAL form, without OFFERING OPPORTUNITY to the community of Wikipedia in being able TO EXPRESS its OPINIONS, as far as the VALUE of the Contract from Barcelona to Tottenham. three References of the Value of the Contract exist. and it is only taken into account but the low one, thus, this not being published with NEUTRALITY ............. If not with the intention to harm…. to the Player ............... 1-http://www.soccerway.com/news/2010/January/26/galatasaray-set-for-giovani-loan-swoop Total £13.3 million: Barcelona in a deal worth £8.6million.While, Spurs paid £4.7million 2->[http://www.fcbarcelona.cat/web/english/noticies/futbol/temporada07-08/06/n080606104518.html Giovani transferred to Tottenham Hotspur Total £11 million: 6 million euros plus another 5 million 3-http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/tottenham/2302537/Tottenham-sign-Giovani-dos-Santos-from-Barca.html Total £8.6 Million: Dos Santos, who failed to break into a Barcelona first team loaded with attacking talent, signed in a deal initially worth £4.7 million, although that could rise to £8.6 million depending on the number of appearances he makes. NOTE: Newspaper TELEGRAPH all we know that it is a newspaper, sensationalist, with very little credibillidad, so that this focused but to notes of the spectacle of artists, gadgets etc and continuously they copy bad notes of the press SPECIALIZED in SOCCER, that in this case is SOCCERWAY /very recognized by its VERACITY and its total CREDIBILITY, furthermore all, some you see he was to us useful as average of consultation to say the minus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.196.27.98 (talk) 08:03, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Tottenham Hotspur

"His commitment has been questioned by Tottenham boss Harry Redknapp, who warned him to stay away from nightclubs and revealed that he was often late for training on a Monday.[12] However, Redknapp assured dos Santos that he is still part of his plans at Tottenham provided that he becomes more dedicated to his professional life.[13]"

Regarding Dos Santos time at Spurs, Harry Redknapp said, "‘If Giovani could pass a bar, like he can pass a football, he would be an incredible player." If you want to publish this, here is the source: http://metro.co.uk/2013/09/15/gareth-bales-debut-sees-another-former-spurs-player-steal-the-show-4004312/80.111.155.138 (talk) 23:47, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Despite the lack of proof of the above claims, Dos Santos has not been given a fair chance at Spurs in the 2010/11 season —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.21.153.237 (talk) 23:51, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Individual Honors

Danone Nations Cup Golden Boot: 2001

http://danonenationscup2010.com/?page_id=480

FIFA U-17 Silver Ball: 2005

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/2005_FIFA_U-17_World_Championship

FIFA U-20 Bronze Ball: 2007

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/2007_FIFA_U-20_World_Cup

CONCACAF Gold Cup Most Valuable Player:2009

http://www.goldcup.org/page/GoldCup/AwardsDetail/0,,12802~1734174,00.html

2010 FIFA World Cup Best Young Player Runner-Up

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2890/world-cup-2010/2010/07/11/2021146/world-cup-2010-germanys-thomas-mueller-wins-young-player --Norbit36 (talk) 10:18, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I have no idea why the 2010 FIFA World Cup Best Young Player Runner-Up, keeps getting added by the same user and his sock-puppet IP accounts, when A. he didn't received any type of recognition or anything for it, and B. other players articles usually do not include runner up awards ex: Lionel Messi or the other runner up to this award André Ayew. --Bocafan76 (talk) 16:48, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

By the way there was a discussion about this at WT:FOOTY, and it seems that since he didn't get any type of recognition this shouldn't be add it, with that in mind and that fact that the user that keeps on adding it, didn't care discussing why it should be kept, I makes sense removing it. --Bocafan76 (talk) 13:18, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Brazilian origin!

Following the ethnicism trend of Mexican Wikipedians, I believe that his Brazilian roots should be stated in the lead. Also, it should be emphasized throughout the entire article so the reader does not forget.

Opinions? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.60.4.90 (talk) 23:24, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Height wars

I notice there has been a bit of a quiet edit war happening here regarding Dos Santos' height. In an effort to put an end to that, can we find a consensus on which height we should use? The height has been been reverted on occasion with reference to what is listed in "the profile", however there appear to be multiple heights listed in various profiles, so which one should be used:

Looking first at the profiles currently linked...

• National Football Teams give 1.74m
• Ipswich Town give 5' 7" (170cm)
• Soccerbase give 5ft 7in (1.7m)
• Tottenham Hotspur doesn't specify
• FIFA U-17 profile 2005 gives 173cm
• FIFA 2007 U-20 squad list doesn't specify
• FIFA 2010 WC profile give 175cm and is the most recently verifiable

Looking beyond the existing links:

• Premier League official site shows 170cm
• Goal.com give 174cm
• OleOle.com gives 174cm
• ESPN Soccernet gives 5' 9" (1.75m)
• Transfermarkt give 1.75
• Copa America official site 2011 shows 173cm.
• Myfootballfacts.com gives 174cm
• +Soccerway gives 175cm

As many sources differ, the question must therefore come down to reliability of sources. FIFA would have been issued the information by the national association, the increase from U-17 to adulthood is more than plausible and the 2010 information is definitely recent. Similarly CONMEBOL would have received such info immediately prior to the recent Copa. Ipswich may have measured him - indeed quite likely did as part of his medical - but his medical records may not have been passed to marketing; it is more likely they lifted the stat from the Premier League or Soccerbase databases. I don't know where Soccerbase gets their source data. Premier League is likely furnished the information on registration by the registering club, but the question would remain - do they update it each year or is his data from first registration 3 years ago. Some of the commercial sites listed above are generally considered WP:RS, while others are.....not quite so trusted! A little discussion is required, and AGF for those new editors and IPs noticing the current version does not reflect the most recent published information --ClubOranje^T 11:42, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry if you have seen it as a problem, I have reverted a number of changes to hight of football players, usually by IPs. I looked at a couple of the profiles in the external links to see if the change could be verified before reverting. I think that I used the first pair that specified it which both gave 5' 7" (170 cm). May be as there is such a wide variation then it should be removed from the infobox and may be covered by a note specifying the range. Keith D (talk) 17:24, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh I don't see it as a problem, and I don't care that much what we have there as long as it is the most reliable information we can determine, it is just we could all spend our time better than change-revert-change-revert cycles, and with the number of editors getting involved it really is starting to look like the 1.70 is not the most up to date stat. I could have gone with the idea of showing a range and footnoting that sources differ, but I see User:Tbhotch has boldly picked an independent reliable source and specifically referenced it. The fact it is a different height from what Tbhotch had previously reverted to is a very good sign of GF editing too. Let's hope other users discuss here first if they have issues with it. --ClubOranje^T 10:46, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

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Retirement

can we all just agree to call it and have him be a former footballer, he's been out of a job for 2 years now I don't think he's playing again 2601:647:4C82:61E0:FC7B:6539:ACD0:258C (talk) 03:28, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Opinions are not facts. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 02:06, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with OP though, what, are we just gonna call him a current footballer 30 years from now if he doesn't explicitly say he's retiring? (eye)rizz (talk) 04:27, 15 January 2024 (UTC)