Talk:Gian Antonio Lazier

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Iazyges (talk · contribs) 06:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion

Sainty 2019, pp. 411, 417. does not have a matching Bibliography, is it supposed to be Sainty 2018? Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 06:31, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes; the 2019 edition is the Spanish-language version (at first I only had access to that one), but I've since gained access to the English version as well and the page numbers are the same. Fixed. Ichthyovenator (talk) 07:53, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Prose Suggestions

Please note that almost all of these are suggestions, and can be implemented or ignored at your discretion. Any changes I deem necessary for the article to pass GA standards I will bold.

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also known under his official name Ioannes IX Antonius I Angelus Flavius Comnenus Lascaris Palaeologus, suggest also known under his claimed official name Ioannes IX Antonius I Angelus Flavius Comnenus Lascaris Palaeologus,.

Yeah, done. Ichthyovenator (talk) 22:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lazier claimed his last name to be a corruption of the name Laskaris, suggest either Lazier claimed his last name to be a corruption of Laskaris, or else Lazier claimed his last name to be a corruption of the surname Laskaris,

Went with the second option. Ichthyovenator (talk) 22:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also claiming connections to the Angelos, Komnenos and Palaiologos dynasties as their supposed last legitimate descendant, perhaps the greatest act of Gibbon was stopping people from claiming to be descended from every dynasty ever.

You'd think so, but Demetrios II Dukas Angelos Komnenos Palaiologos Rhodokanakis was running around until 1902 and Marziano II Lascaris Comneno Flavio Angelo Lavarello Ventimiglia di Turgoville was active until less than thirty years ago. Ichthyovenator (talk) 22:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is no evidence that either of Lazier's parents, Francesco Lazier and Giacobina Neiro, I changed the "and" here to "or", feel free to revert it.

Not sure which is correct so your version works fine. Ichthyovenator (talk) 22:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

though it is possible that there was some suggest though there may have been some for simplicity.

Done. Ichthyovenator (talk) 22:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Farnese successfully exposed Lazier as a fraud but Lazier maintained a large audience of supporters who recognized his claims suggest Farnese successfully exposed Lazier as a fraud, however, Lazier maintained a large audience of supporters who recognized his claims

Done. Ichthyovenator (talk) 22:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Charles VI, Holy Roman Emperor, until 1725, suggest the Holy Roman Emperor, Charles VI, until 1725 to clarify that he supported until then, not that he was emperor until then; also suggest linking Holy Roman Emperor to its page, instead of all to Charles.

Yeah, makes sense. Ichthyovenator (talk) 22:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Undeterred by having been exposed, suggest changing to Undettered by having his fraud revealed to avoid usage of exposed back to back.

Done. Ichthyovenator (talk) 22:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Later grand masters and claimant grand masters of the Constantinian Order suggest changing claimant grand masters to pretenderds

Done. Ichthyovenator (talk) 22:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Background

You may wish to mention the Principality of Theodoro, as the last rump state in a sentence, but it isn't strictly necessary.

This section mainly deals with illustrating that while Lazier's claims were completely made up, he didn't claim the "Byzantine succession" out of nowhere three hundred years after the empire's fall, but was attempting to place himself into the already western recognized sequence of spuriously connected pretenders. Though I was under the impression that Theodoro was more "Gothic" than "Byzantine"/"Greek", I've added a note with Theodoro and Trebizond, which also was not mentioned. Ichthyovenator (talk) 22:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Byzantine imperial family, the Palaiologos dynasty, survived these events. suggest the qualifier of "much" or something along those lines be added, considering Constantine XI, and presumably at least some others, didn't.

Yeah, I've added a qualifier. Ichthyovenator (talk) 22:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

though on what grounds is unclear suggest though the grounds for this are unclear.

Done. Ichthyovenator (talk) 22:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

who among his father's titles only used Prince of Macedonia suggest who used only Prince of Macedonia

Done. Ichthyovenator (talk) 22:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

or descended through female lines. does the source suggest the possibility of multiple royal female ancestors, or just one? If just one, suggest or descended through a female line.

Just one, changed to your suggestion. Ichthyovenator (talk) 22:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestry and early life

Gian Antonio Lazier was born in the Italian village of Perloz, near Aosta, according to late 18th-century sources on 9 June 1678 suggest Gian Antonio Lazier was born in the Italian village of Perloz, near Aosta. According to late 18th-century sources, he was born on 9 June 1678, but this is not attested by contemporary sources.{{sfn|Saintly|2018|p=146}}}}

Done. Ichthyovenator (talk) 22:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tiring of his small birth village suggest Tiring of his small village of birth, or just Tiring of his small village

Went with the second one. Ichthyovenator (talk) 22:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Claims and recognition

It is possible that the motivation for Holy Roman Emperor Charles suggest remove Holy Roman Emperor as superfluous.

Done. Ichthyovenator (talk) 22:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is all of my suggestions, passing now. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 19:04, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]