Talk:Ghost Ship (2002 film)

Part Deleted

I deleted this part for the now:

>>> Soon, one of the crew members discover the ghost of a little girl who was a victim of the sabotage committed by a group of murderers. The murder escapade started with the killing of the guests on the deck of the ship. Their bodies were split open by the wire of the ship, which cut through the guests bodies, slicing them in half. Later, many of them were killed, without their torso's. <<<

Just seemed a little convoluted and didn't really explain the film. Will do a rewrite shortly.

> Saint Mahone > 08 Mar 06

Remake?

Is this a remake of anything??? 23:11, 2 December 2006 (UTC)~

Don't think so, why do you ask? Kingpin1055 02:31, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

See Ghost Ship (1952 film). --Auric (talk) 15:00, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I'd say that the poster for this film is more than a little inspired by the poster for Death_Ship_(1980_film). Don't know if that's worth mentioning, though. Apart from the haunted ships, these films don't seem to have much in common. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.219.254.49 (talk) 22:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Gore

There's one thing I've noticed in this particular movie; with the exception of the dance hall scene, there is very little gore, other than a few isolated spots of blood. And I am sure more can be said about the movie, I just don't know if it should be revealed.--Vercalos 08:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

"Death Scene"

This section is written in the tone of a teenager telling their friend a scary story (e.g., "Yes, the wire had cut through over fifty dancers simultaneously and all are dead.") --Closedmouth 04:17, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about the original author, but I will try write a synopsis of the plot that's a little more accurate toward the final film. --Kingpin1055

rename

How about using the (film) naming scheme instead of the case confusion.

Liner/tugboat

I don't know where this idea's come from, but the crew loading the gold onto the liner that rescued Epps is not her dead crew... that wouldn't make any sense. The crew seen loading the gold onto the modern cruise liner are from the cruise liner... they are not the dead spirits of the Arctic Warrior salvage crew.

If you feel the need to edit, check the DVD before editing the article. Kingpin1055 11:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

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Why wouldn't it make sense? Prometheus^-X303- 07:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

It wouldn't make sense as that isn't how Jack worked people so he could collect their souls. As shown in the film he works alone, using the crew and passengers against each other... playing to their wants and their greed. That and the sheer fact none of the liner crew carrying the gold onto the rescue ship bears more then a very minor similarity to the dead Arctic Warrior crew. One black guy and one blond man does not a dead tugboat crew make. Don't make me get a screen grab. Kingpin1055 12:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Is that a threat? :) I may have to go oldschool and dig out my VHS copy.

You may be right, but Francesca and Santos (I think), both dead, are seen antagonizing. Katie and the captain attempt to help the crew. That plus the resemblance to the crew lead me to think that it WAS them. There is a thread at IMDB [2] that discusses this. Others have made the same mistake.

Hopefully if somebody thinks this article is in error they will look at the talk page first. Prometheus^-X303- 15:38, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I won't argue that Jack used the dead people when killing the Arctic Warrior crew off... but I figure he can only use the souls to do his bidding as long as he has them on that ship... as soon as the Antonia Graza went down I figure they were freed along with the passengers and crew. I took the liberty of getting a few screen grabs of the scene (I compiled them side by side in one picture just to save on having to link multiple pics), and while I can see how the mistake occurred, it isn't them.

The black guy, while bald lacks a goatee amongst other things.Kingpin1055 16:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

More Detailed Plot

After seeing the movie, then reading this Wiki article on it, I noticed that it didn't really have a lot on what actually happened. All it said was that the crew killed everone out of greed. I added a more detailed explanation on what happened- the poisoning, the part Francesca played, and how Ferriman was involved. WikiScott 15:23, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

"citation needed"

In the trivia section, we can read this; "Jack Ferriman's "Soul Collector" character is named for Charon the Ferryman, the Greek mythological spirit who collected souls from one side of the river Styx and ferried them across to Hades." And then; "citation needed". Why would anyoen need any citation to this obviously fact? Ferriman are on a ship, collecting sould he is supposed to bring with him. Just as Charon the Ferryman. This is a very clear reference, so I really don't see why there should be any need for citation. If every sentence in an article needs some documentation, then the whole citation concept has gone way too far. 193.217.193.55 14:25, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

The complete trivia section is an almost exact copy of imdb I think. Is that allowed? Hfodf 23:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Don't know if the thing with his name is right, but there is at least an other allusion to Charon. In the room with the swimming pool there is a painting on the wall depicting Charon collecting souls to bring them on his "ferry". The picture was painted by Gustave Doré and is an illustration from Dante's Divine Comedy. -- DanteRay (talk) 10:18, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Ghost Ship poster.JPG

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Event Horizon

does anyone know if this film was inspired by the 1997 Si-Fi horror film Event Horizon? It bears some similarities to Event Horizon, such as the crew being killed, the ship found abandoned, and the rescue crew being terrorized by spirits. Joe311 (talk) 20:47, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Antonia Graza

Aquitania (talk) 16:56, 11 October 2008 (UTC)I think that Antonia Graza is belong to Italian Line because the color of her funnel.Aquitania (talk) 16:56, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Removed unsourced research

While it's all nice that someone wants to write a thesis about what the movie meant to them & what they thought the movie meant, this isn't the place for it. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not "Bob's Opinions in Thesis Format". You want to talk about the film, go to a site that encourages such types of discussions, such as IMDB. This is not the place for it. If it isn't a fact set in stone or voiced by the people who made the film, it isn't supposed to be on here. Besides, all of it was one person's opinion & like I said twice before, this isn't the place for one horror fan's opinion of Ghost Ship. MeekoFTW (talk) 17:48, 27 September 2009 (UTC)MeekoFTW

Most of texts normally published on films are either some kind analysis of them or advertisements to watch them. If you prefer the latter, I definitely have no time to argue with your views. From experience, this takes too much time to be worth and I have much more important things to do in Wikipedia. I from my point of view think that if you are right them majority of film and book articles bring Wikipedia very little more than a troubles on "fair use" cover publishing Audriusa (talk) 16:03, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

• Well, my particular point of stating this wasn't to discredit any existing books, blogs, opinions or shows out in the world. It was to state that personal research, especially unsourced research, doesn't belong on wikipedia. The person who added the stuff I deleted was adding things that weren't mentioned in the movie (theorizing that the gold was from a mob heist due to the Italian features of the crew or that it was part of a government plot) as well as posting what equates to personal opinions about who the movie should appeal to ("making the film more attractive for certain categories of people but maybe less attractive for groups that just want to be scared"). The only way I could imagine either part being notable enough to mention on the article is if either bit was voiced by a notable critic on his/her blog, article or show & we were able to get it cited. Even then, it would be listed under Reception rather than having it's own little section. Now if the director, writer, producer or actors were to state these opinions on a citable source then it would merit having it's own section in the article. The thing is that even though some of the theories posted by the guy do sort of make sense, if we allow one non-notable person to post their theories on wikipedia then we'll have to allow everyone. After a while the article would just be too dragged out & would be more of a fan page than an encylopedia. MeekoFTW (talk) 16:07, 11 June 2010 (UTC)meekoftw

And the main point is that wikipedia is supposed to be a factual website. We can't put in theories unless they can be backed up somehow, either by a quote from a notable critic or by someone notable who worked on the movie. I prefer to theorize when it comes to movies, but unless I can prove that this theory is correct, supported by a notable someone and/or is a popular theory held by enough people to be notable, it doesn't belong on wikipedia. I hold myself to that same idea- I have my theories & such about books, movies & tv series, but I'm not a notable person & sometimes that viewpoint isn't verifiable or believed by a large enough amount of people to warrant documenting. MeekoFTW (talk) 16:11, 11 June 2010 (UTC)meekoftw

Recurring Deletion/Vandalism

For some reason, people insist on deleting part of the end of the Plot. They are removing mention of the fact that the ghosts loading the ship at the end are in fact the film's stars who died previously in the film. IE: The ship's crew. This is most likely because the editors completely missed that crucial part of the ending, and thusly believe "If I didn't notice it, it didn't happen." It would be nice to get a final agreement on this. -- 4.153.86.115 (talk) 05:11, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, I saw the notice above, but didn't think "liner/tugboat" was about this issue. I'm still not convinced, however. -- 4.153.86.115 (talk) 05:16, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

The dead crew includes Gabriel Byrne, Karl Urban, and Isaiah Washington. These are rather well known faces, and none of them are among the crew who brings the gold aboard the new ship. I've watched the final scene on DVD several times, and I'm 100% sure. It also would'n make sense in the context of the plot, as they were killed during Ferriman's previous harvest, and likely ascended to Heaven with all the others. -- Imladros (talk) 04:38, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

It's called a "fact" despite being unsourced and based on an anon who think the characters look alike. As Imladros stated, it contradicts the plot point where all the innocent souls escape. It's also not mentioned in any recap:[3][4][5] --73.75.213.228 (talk) 15:13, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Karl Urban's character

Anyone have a better recollection of the death of Karl Urban's character Munder in that movie since it is not mentioned in the plot summary. If so, do add it in the plot summary please. BattleshipMan (talk) 14:47, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Review Sourcing

The article says that this film “received largely negative reviews from critics”, and I was wondering if that should maybe include a source. --ChaserBerry (talk) 17:54, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Weight of gold?

A dispute has emerged regarding the necessity of including the weight of the gold bars in the Plot section, and if so, the best unit of conversion to include (if any). Until recently the article had listed the weight in ounces with a conversion to tonnes. Opinions are welcome! DonIago (talk) 03:23, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

I doubt there's any source stating the weight of the gold bars, which was probably added at some point as WP:OR based on a assumption of a standard weight. A quick search suggests event the number of bars in unclear so this stuff is better just removed until there an RS, especially given that it seems to have no importance anyway. Having an incorrect conversion for an OR guess in a plot summary of a work of fiction is clearly ridiculous. Gugrak (talk) 04:48, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree that if the weight is never stated in the film then it shouldn't be included, and that it's likely unimportant to understanding the plot in any case, but I'm curious as to your assertion that the conversion is incorrect, especially considering it was using a standard Wikipedia template? I suppose it's a moot point relative to the other two arguments, but it's still a point of curiosity for me. DonIago (talk) 05:48, 24 March 2023 (UTC)