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A fact from Get Lost (organisation) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 12 April 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that as of December 2023, Get Lost claimed to have helped nearly 20,000 people avoid conscription in Russia?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/April. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Get Lost (organisation).

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 16:48, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that as of December 2023 Get Lost had helped nearly 20,000 Russians avoid conscription?
ALT1: ... that as of December 2023 Get Lost claimed to have helped nearly 20,000 Russians avoid conscription?

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/30/russia-deserters-war-ukraine-flee/ - "Amid appalling casualty rates, many Russian soldiers are desperate to escape. One Russian underground antiwar network, Go by the Forest, says it has helped more than 400 men to desert, and advised nearly 20,000 how to avoid being drafted."

- Reviewed: [[]]
- Comment: Open to alternative hooks, this one was the only one that came to mind.

Moved to mainspace by CommissarDoggo (talk). Self-nominated at 21:28, 10 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Get Lost (organisation); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Not really sure the hook is acceptable per WP:ABOUTSELF. If we are to run it, it should probably say "claims to have" or somesuch.--Laun chba ller 10:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What, like Alt 2 ...that as of December 2023 Get Lost claimed to have helped nearly 20,000 Russians avoid conscription?

To note, Get Lost is the name the page has changed to since I submitted this, following the official name used by the organisation on their website.

Exactly like that. Full review needed.--Laun chba ller 11:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article is new enough and long enough. Alt 2 Hook fact is interesting and verified to reliable RS. Article has no copyvio, and is mostly within policy. The only issue I have is the use of the organization's self published website as a source. Given the political and potentially controversial nature of the topic, the article should be cited entirely to independent references per our policies at WP:Verifiability, WP:NPOV, and WP:CORPDEPTH. For this reason, all content cited to the organization's website needs to either be removed, or cited to an independent source. All inline citations to the website should be removed completely. However, an external link to their website can remain at the bottom of the article. There are enough independent references cited in the article that the remaining content should still make for an excellent article at an appropriate size for DYK.4meter4 (talk) 04:10, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for the review and thanks for the courtesy message. I have removed two instances of the organisation being cited as those were unnecessary and have split another to properly attribute two different quotes. As for the rest, I'll go through them now. In bold are, where applicable, are the sections of text where the organisation's website is used as a source.

"The ultimate goal of the organisation, is "to help as many people as possible to avoid being involved in the bloody Russian war in Ukraine" and to "help the maximum number of people: the less of them that pull a trigger, the better."" - This use case fits with WP:ABOUTSELF, as it's simply the goal stated on their website.
3.4."The organisation's core team is made up of six anti-war Russians, with those listed on its website being Sverdlin, Darya Berg, Anton Gorbatsevich and Ivan Chuviliayev. Berg is the head of the relief and evacuation department, Gorbatsevich is the direct help and evacuation coordinator and Chuviliayev is the Public Relations manager of the organisation." - The two uses here also fit with WP:ABOUTSELF, as they're simply pointing out who is in and who does what in the organisation.

I hope that these explanations are satisfactory. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 09:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CommissarDoggo That does seem reasonable, and the article now looks like it is fully compliant with all DYK review criteria. I am marking the Alt2 hook as approved by AGF given that The Washington Post article is behind a paywall. Alt2 can be promoted.4meter4 (talk) 17:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4 My apologies, when I accessed it it wasn't behind a paywall. Here's an archived source (which I've now added to the page itself as well): https://archive.is/v6Yqb CommissarDoggo^Talk? 17:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hook fact confirmed. @ CommissarDoggo Thanks for providing a way to view the article, but this was not essential for passing DYK review. We have an WP:AGF policy for offline sources and sources behind paywalls which allows us to promote articles even when we can't view certain sources online. Best.4meter4 (talk) 19:05, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New addition

@萌百娘 Don't suppose you'd be able to provide a link to the source used in your latest addition? I couldn't find the source myself. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 22:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I translated it from the paper version of Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (a German newspaper). Same article with different title can be fund on its website but costs money to read online. 萌百娘 (talk) 22:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine by me. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 23:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]