Talk:Germanic mythology

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Holocaust

Um... Including the holocaust under germanic mythology could be taken to mean that the (WWII) holocaust is mythological as opposed to factual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.175.133.172 (talk) 04:39, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Is there any solution to this sort of crap outside of somehow officially replacing the noun "Germany" with "Deutschland" in the English language? :bloodofox: (talk) 16:34, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

De-disambiguation

This page should be an article, and not a disambig at all. I intend to make it so, if there is no objection. Cheers! bd2412 T 01:30, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Druids

Druids were Celtic/Gaulish not Germanic. There may have been a similar class in Germanic cultures, but they were not Druids. That would be like calling Roman Catholic Priests, Bishops, and Abbots the Imams or Rabbis of medieval Western Europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.76.247 (talk) 20:35, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

RfC: Is this article primarily about the mythology of people primarily characterized as speakers of Germanic languages, or is it primarily about the mythology of people primarily characterized by being called "Germani" by the ancient Romans?

Is this article primarily about the mythology of people primarily characterized as speakers of Germanic languages, or is it primarily about the mythology of people primarily characterized by being called "Germani" by the ancient Romans? Krakkos (talk) 21:36, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

This article is currently defined as being about "myths native to the Germanic peoples". At the article Germanic peoples itself, there is some confusion regarding the primary topic of the term "Germanic peoples". A primary topic is often determined by the nature of incoming wikilinks. This article is one of such wikilinks. Two key characteristics of "Germanic peoples" appear to have been identified. These are being "Germanic-speakers" and being "people described by Romans as Germani."[1] Determining what kind of "Germanic peoples" this article refers to is helpful to determine the primary topic of "Germanic peoples". I apologize for phrasing this RfC rather complicatedly, but it is necessary in order to achieve clarity. Krakkos (talk) 21:36, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

• Germanic languages - This is how the reliable sources describes Germanic mythology:

"Germanic religion and mythology, complex of stories, lore, and beliefs about the gods and the nature of the cosmos developed by the Germanic-speaking peoples before their conversion to Christianity." - Turville-Petre, E. O. G.; Polomé, Edgar Charles. "Germanic Religion And Mythology". Encyclopædia Britannica Online. Retrieved January 3, 2020. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |editors=, |registration=, and |subscription= (help)

"The term “Germanic mythology” refers to the gods and heroes of European peoples, among whom are included Germans, Scandinavians (Norse), and Anglo-Saxons. These are people whose languages—one of which would evolve into Old English and then, along with other influences, into Middle and Modern English— derive from the same Indo-European branch... The Germanic people emerged in the early Iron Age “Jastorf” culture in what is now Scandinavia and northern Germany at the beginning of the sixth century b.c.e." - Polomé, Edgar Charles; Fee, Christopher R.; Leeming, David Adams (2006). "Germanic mythology". In Leeming, David Adams (ed.). The Oxford Companion to World Mythology. Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780199916481. Retrieved January 3, 2020. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |subscription= (help)

As can be seen by inspecting this article and the sources upon which it is based, most of what we know of Germanic mythology is based on Norse mythology. The Norsemen were not included among the "Germani" by Roman writers. They are defined as being speakers of Old Norse (a Germanic language). Per the content of this article and the sources upon which it is based, it is clear that Germanic mythology is the mythology of peoples primarily characterized as speakers of Germanic languages. Krakkos (talk) 21:36, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

• Irrelevant to this article, and not connected to any current editing proposals here. The article does not need to take a choice between the different imperfect ways of using these terms. That is a relevant debate at Germanic peoples though you do not mention this is the reason for the RFC. Clearly this is spreading disruption from your debates on other articles. Please stop calling disruptive RFCs.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 22:19, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

• Determining whose mythology this article is about is a relevant question. Your edits during the last week have been entirely devoted the to the issue of defining Germanic peoples. Your claim by you that this question is "irrelevant" is absolutely ridiculous. Krakkos (talk) 10:32, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

That is another article.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 11:29, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Which is closely connected to this article. Krakkos (talk) 13:25, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

• Germanic languages. Is that even a question? Puduḫepa 13:55, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Rewrite incoming

I've just reverted a big wave of misinformation that this page has recently attracted. I'll be preparing a rewrite for the page soon. :bloodofox: (talk) 08:32, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the cleanup, Bloodofox. Looking at the literature on Germanic paganism/religion and mythology, it strikes me that the two are usually discussed together under the umbrella of Germanic religion. There is surely a substantial agree of overlap between them. Perhaps it would be a good idea to merge them into a single improved article? Krakkos (talk) 09:01, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

No problem, I'll go ahead and start with myth specifically—stories about deities—and then let's see what we can do from there. :bloodofox: (talk) 20:19, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Sounds like a good plan. Mythology constitutes the core of this topic after all. It's a complex subject, and it's great that someone with your expertice is determined to work on it. I recently discovered that the The Wikipedia Library provides access to searchable PDFs of both volumes of the second edition of Jan de Vries' Altgermanische Religionsgeschichte. See the following links for Volume I and Volume II. Volume II may be of particular use for mythology. Krakkos (talk) 15:19, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

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