Talk:Gerald D. Jennings

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The Times Union articles about the no-fine tickets NEVER mentioned that Jennings personal vehicle was on the list! I am removing that mention. That entire section has very little to do with Jennings and looks like an anti-Jennings slur and POV. "Distinguishing features" talking about his skin color and tanning habits?! The entire article has slurs and is terrible! I'm rewriting the article.Camelbinky (talk) 20:46, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That bit was obvious vandalism...but let's not whitewash either. Nothing wrong with the TU or a blog as a source. Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 18:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there is a problem with a blog, it is not an acceptable source in wikipedia. Check the guidelines for citations. A blog is someone's opinion and often not reliably researched. You may return the information when a reliable source is PROPERLY cited. Any information in an article that is not properly cited may and will be removed per wikipedia guidelines. A blog is not acceptable, and if you are going to quote the Times Union then go to their webpage and find the original article and properly cite it using the {{cite web}} citation template which includes author, date, accessdate, publisher, and title of article and it will be left alone. The same goes for any other information, it must be properly cited, this is a biography concerning a living individual, the wikipedia guidelines more than ever need to be adhered to. Read the template at the top of this page concerning what is acceptable. If information continues to be put in that is not properly sourced it continue to be removed and will be reported to the living persons biographies noticeboard.Camelbinky (talk) 21:28, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly don't tell me what I "may" do. We are all peers here. I'll find the TU cite and I will put the content back in. Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 21:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? I'm sorry, I dont follow the "may" comment, the only instance in my post with the word "may" occurs in "an article that is not properly cited may and will be removed". That is in no way telling YOU what you may or may not do. It is saying what the wikiguideline IS. The guidelines clearly state, and feel free to read them, that unsourced or poorly sourced material MUST BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY in biographies on living persons, which I then did. I put the word MAY as a courtesy instead of saying word by word the guideline which sounds alot more threatening than how I put it by putting the word MAY instead of MUST. I didnt mean to be insulting, I was going out of my way to not sound mean or to BITE. I SUGGEST (a suggestion, not a command or anything so dont jump down my throat for a friendly suggestion) that you look for neutral and good things that happened on his watch as well and that ALL information put in is put in a neutral factual way and not in a manner to insult or cause someone to become prejudiced against the person whose biography it is. Continuing to put in negative content MAY be interpreted by some as an intent to ruin a persons reputation or editing by someone with a conflict of interest, like a supporter of a Republican challenger or of a Democratic primary opponent or someone with a personal grudge is frowned upon and will result in getting this article protected through the next election. I am not saying that is what you are doing, I am saying it may be wrongly construed by some as that. If you care to improve this article then improving all aspects and make it fully comprehensive on all counts is the best way to do so. I dont care much if the information you put is good or bad as long as it is put in a NPOV manner and PROPERLY AND FULLY cited by RELIABLE sources per WP:Citation and the guidelines on biographies of living persons. If you find the sources and need help citing or editing the article feel free to ask me for help, I will help put in any true facts good or bad in a proper way. I dont wish to start an argument with you, I wish to help and if you are interested in Capital District related articles and are not already a member of the Capital District Wikiproject you should join, there is a backlog of many articles that could use a good editor like yourself. I myself could use your help on History of Albany, New York and Albany, New York, as I see from your user page your interest in using good grammar and mine happens to be terrible.Camelbinky (talk) 23:01, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You wrote "You may return the information when a reliable source is PROPERLY cited." I took that as an insulting command-oriented comment rather than a friendly suggestion, and if I read it wrong then I withdraw my comment above.

I was wrong about using blogs as a source and will find the TU cites on these issues.

Thanks for your comments, I too hope we can cooperate on these articles. regards, DMorpheus (talk) 15:57, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's as if the gods of wikipedia were watching over us....today the Times-Union printed a story about this very issue, providing the source we needed. ;) DMorpheus (talk) 14:12, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Primary opponents

Should we list the current four primary opponents here or perhaps create a separate page on the 2009 primary?

By my count the declared candidates are: Corey Ellis, Shawn Morris, Marlon Anderson, and ?? Faust. DMorpheus (talk) 14:02, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest creating a new section heading for "2009 primary", where it should start off with a short paragraph citing the proportion of dems vs. republicans in the city (the exact numbers on Albany, New York just lift them with the citation and paste them here with a statement along the lines of- due to this majority of dems the primaries are often more important than the general election in determining the mayor. Then "his opponents as of" put the current month "are-" and then list those people you mention along with hopefully Faust's first name. If they have a profession (councilman, council president, etc) I would list that alongside their name. I'm in favor of this kind of prose since just straight lists are frowned upon. Since you and I keep a good watch on this page I'm sure if new candidates join or old ones drop it will get updated fairly quickly and eventually it will need to be removed as it will no longer be encyclopedic info. Quite a fair number of former Albany mayors have pages, something that I've always thought strange for Albany's size, you may want to check them out if you havent already to see if there are sections or types of info that the Jennings article is lacking.Camelbinky (talk) 05:13, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

After thinking for a min or two, I just thought that perhaps creating a page on the primary itself (in addition to what I mentioned above) might be a good idea. On a dedicated page there could be each candidates platform and comments from speeches, newspaper interviews, etc. Since that stuff wouldnt be appropriate on this page (other than Jennings' own platform etc). It may get nominated for a AfD or even a speedy deletion but I think if it gets nominated for that we have a pretty strong case for notability since it is a well-known city, capital of New York, and the importance of the primary as opposed to the general election in determing the mayor. Before you create it I suggest you contact user:wadester16 on his opinion on whether it could pass notability (dont forget to mention those things I mentioned on its notability and anything else you can think of first, always good to anticipate future questions and answer them first instead of getting the answer "no, because- " and then you'd have to respond and convince).Camelbinky (talk) 05:23, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I removed the mention of Corey Ellis and Jennings "no-fine tickets". This is not part of the ghost-ticket scandal, which concerned secret decals given to *friends and family* of city officials and police officers. The mention of Ellis and Jennings has to do with their official parking placards which all city officials have for use parking in the city when on official business. The part I deleted conflated the two systems, which had the effect of smearing Ellis mostly but also Jennings. It also suggests a conclusion, that Ellis is the worst violator of a policy he attacked, but since they are separate systems, another conclusion could be that he is just the hardest working council member.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.67.49.134 (talk) 03:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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