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The assertion "have been prescribed zinc supplements by health professionals, which has resulted in a dramatic reduction in the incidence of the condition" is devoid of substantiating citations. The term "health professionals" is highly suspect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msfeatherstone (talk • contribs) 13:13, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It could be a manifestation of Ulcerative colitis (UC). Geographic tongue can be managed with a proper gut-healing diet, exercise, mindfulness, adequate sleep, good oral hygiene, and supplements. http://geographictongues.com/

Additional info needed regarding link to Crohn's Disease

In reading the article, I didn't see any information that geographic tongue could be a symptom of Crohn's Disease. It is mentioned under the Crohn's topice here http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Crohn's_disease. Perhaps someone can add that information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.93.194.7 (talk) 12:39, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reference no. 5 links to a commercial site selling ebook for $39.99

Reference number 5 in this article leads to a dubious and clearly commercial site selling information purporting to 'cure' this benign condition for nearly 40USD. Can somebody more knowledgeable about Wiki protocol check this / take appropriate action? --Mommaloveuk (talk) 00:15, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing that out. Done. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 01:26, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In response to Msfeatherstone's comment on Zinc and professionals

This is based on the contributors personal experience and cannot be cited on-line. It is posted to assist others who are suffering from the condition in the hope it will alleviate their symptoms as it has done for the contributor. DatumX (talk) 00:08, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Studies have shown that taking a zinc supplement can improve the condition in over 75% of cases.^[1]

Thank you for the AFG contribution, however I think this is unsuitable currently:

"studies have shown" sounds a bit weasel. We only reference one small study here, are there any other data supporting this link? 40 people does not a reliable RCT make.
Generally, we should not use primary sources, but rather use secondary and tertiary sources, per WP:MEDRS
This source is not listed in PubMed, leading me to suspect that it was not published in a peer review journal. Neither are any publications generated from a search "zinc geographic tongue" [1]

I have therefore removed this section until better sources can be found. Thank you, Lesion (talk) 10:59, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Abdolsamadi H. "An Investigation On Therapeutic Effect Of Zinc Sulphate In Patients With Geographic Tongue". {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

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In the last 10 years, on PubMed, publications used the terms "benign migratory glossitis" 94 "geographic tongue" 55 All other synonyms were far less commonly used than the above 2. ICD-10 uses geographic tongue and lists benign migratory glossitis as a synonym.

MEDRS sweep

In my opinion, the following sources fail WP:MEDRS and required removal:

cite book |title=Clinical Naturopathic Medicine |first=Leah |last=Hechtman |publisher=Elsevier |year=2012 |isbn=0729541517 |page=1511 |accessdate=November 12, 2012 |url=http://books.google.com/books?id=Z9cMOSbgozIC&pg=PA1511&dq=zinc+allergies+geographic+tongue&hl=en&sa=X&ei=eBOkUPu7IKPQ2AXkqoBA&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=zinc%20allergies%20geographic%20tongue&f=false}} Not a reliable source -- FYI, natropathic "medicine" =/= medicine. Also, some people would find the combination of the words "clinical" with "natropathic medicine" strange. Done

"[[The New England Journal of Medicine]] reports a connection between [[celiac disease]] and geographic tongue and calls this association "very common". "Our report should alert physicians and dental practitioners to consider celiac disease in managing cases of idiopathic atrophic glossitis."<ref> Alberta Lucchese, Agostino Guida, Rosario Serpico. (2012) Glossodynia and coeliac disease. Immunopharmacology and Immunotoxicology 1-3 [http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc070200 Atrophic Glossitis Leading to the Diagnosis of Celiac Disease].</ref>" Firstly, the cited study is a case report (i.e. an unreliable source) and more importantly, the case report is about atrophic glossitis, which is a different clinical entity to the condition described on this page. The case report does not describe any link between geographic tongue and celiac disease. Done There is no link between celiac disease and geographic tongue that I am aware of, but if I find a suitable source I will put some content in about it.

^ a b c Zadik Y, Drucker S, Pallmon S (Aug 2011). "Migratory stomatitis (ectopic geographic tongue) on the floor of the mouth" (PDF). J Am Acad Dermatol 65 (2): 459–60. doi:10.1016/j.jaad.2010.04.016. PMID 21763590. This is not even a case report, it is a letter to the editor. Unsuitable source. Done

<ref name="WebMD">{{cite web|url=http://www.webmd.com/oral-health/tongue-geographic|title=Tongue, Geographic|publisher=webmd.com|accessdate=2012-11-14}}</ref> and can occur at any age<ref name="WebMD-causestreat">{{cite web|url=http://www.webmd.com/oral-health/guide/geographic-tongue|title=Geographic Tongue: Causes and Treatments|publisher=webmd.com|accessdate=2012-11-14}}</ref> "Web MD" ... no references, site is packed with adverts... questionable quality. Done

^ USA (2010-12-08). "Geographic tongue (migrant glossitis) and psoriasis". Minerva Stomatol 50 (6): 213–7. PMID 11535977. primary source. Also secondary source (AAFP) states that there is no link in more recent research. Done

^ http://www.terveyskirjasto.fi/terveyskirjasto/tk.koti?p_artikkeli=dlk00780. Missing or empty |title= (help) after assessing the page with google translate, the only source given for the content is emedicine. On balance, don't feel this is a suitable source. Done

^ Burkhart, Nancy W. "Geographic Tongue". PennWell. Retrieved 2012-11-14. Doesn't seem to published in pubmed, but does contain a list of references to scientific papers. The site it's posted on is also packed with adverts. On balance, don't feel it is a suitable source.

It's hard to assume good faith

Let me give an example of what was happening here in a few places:

The cause is unknown <ref 1> however bullshit bullshit bullshit that isn't in ref 1 at all but I couldn't be bothered to search for a source/ couldn't find any source to support my bullshit theories so I'm just going to say it came from a source already used and I don't give a shit about disseminating lies as long as it suits my bullshit theories.<ref 1>

I'm going to find out who did this, and there will be a reckoning. Lesion (talk) 18:48, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Trying to assume good faith, and maybe there was some confusion between geographic tongue (benign migratory glossitis) with atrophic glossitis and so the wrong content from the textbook was used. I stress that these are different conditions. Atrohpic glossitis may be linked to all kinds of things, especially nutritional deficiencies, but the cause of geographic tongue is almost totally unknown. The difference is in how the lesions move aroudn the tongue, whereas in atrophic glossitis they don't move, but they may enlarge.Lesion (talk) 19:03, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ariboflavinosis

I consider the Yamada textbook a reliable source for gastroenterology, but it's not really specialized for oral medicine. I note that other sources usually state that ariboflavinosis causes atrophic glossitis rather than geographic tongue. Lesion (talk) 20:28, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Abdolsamadi H. "An Investigation On Therapeutic Effect Of Zinc Sulphate In Patients With Geographic Tongue". {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

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