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Genetic composition

The sentence, "and R1a arrived in the Chalcolithic with the migrations of the Proto-Indo-Europeans." urgently needs a reliable source. It appears to be mere phantasy in different extensions. HJJHolm (talk) 09:28, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I would like to see even a single find with steppe ancestry at - as at the figure - at -3'900! I have nothing. Seems to be much phantasy.2A02:8108:9640:1A68:2C26:22E:315:EF3D (talk) 09:05, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Instead, we have to muddle through such long-winded nonsense sentences like "A 2021 study by the Max Planck Institute, the Universities of Tübingen, Florence, and Harvard, published in the journal Science Advances, ..." < All this has to be appear in the reference, while in the main text, simply start with Author et al. (year)!! Nevertheless, we have to thank the author for his diligent piece of work!2A02:8108:9640:1A68:ACC0:1E5F:13B3:6DEB (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 06:23, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove the Map of languages in Italy

I don't see any kind of relation about genetics and language spoken by a population. Are Congolese people and the People of Quebec from Canada the same from a genetic and ethnic point of view because they speak the same language? In this map is shown a map that shows that in Sardinia was spoken the Punic, the Punics were Phoenicians from Middle East, but all modern genetic surveys show that Sardinians have some of the lowest west asian and south west asian admixtures among europeans, much lower than italian average, so that map is out of place! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/4/4a/20120924005000%21Iron_Age_Italy.svg ?!?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UOHFTxL-bOA/TOYpHMIrsVI/AAAAAAAAAOE/on63ho681uI/s1600/ADMIXTURE10.jpeg http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt279/german24/West-Asian-admixture.gif

Antonio, et al (2019)

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aay6826

https://www.science.org/cms/10.1126/science.aay6826/asset/17e1bdd9-a47d-40b3-97e2-0f7d9ea3dbfa/assets/graphic/366_708_f1.jpeg

Quoting figure:

Late Antiquity - Substantial ancestry shift towards Central and Northern Europeans and away from Near Eastern populations. Continued high variability in ancestry Medieval & Early Modern - Continued ancestry shift toward Central and Northern Europeans

Thanks for reading. - Hunan201p (talk) 19:23, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The etruscan page says something different

Thanks for everyones work Just a fyi that the etruscan page says that the etruscans are close to germans

“Allele sharing between the Etruscans and modern populations is highest among Germans (seven haplotypes in common), the Cornish from South West England (five haplotypes in common), the Turks (four haplotypes in common), and the Tuscans (two haplotypes in common).”

I hope i am helping 111.220.109.253 (talk) 10:44, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Southern Italians are closest to the Modern Greeks, while Northern Italians are closest to Spaniards and Southern French? WTF?

I've read through citations 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14 of this article and not ONE of them confirms any proof, mtDNA BS or otherwise, that Southern Italians are closest to Modern Greeks, while Northern Italians are closest to the Spanish and Southern French.

True, many Southern Italians have Greek ancestry. But they got conquered by the Norse and others throughout history since the Greeks. I know because I've visited Sicily. The friends I met there had red, blond, light brown and dark brown hair. Yet, they had very Italian faces.

Northern Italians do not look like Spaniards. Spain was Latino-ized by Julius Caesar during the Roman Empire. Since then Spain has gone through Germanic invasions and, especially, Middle Eastern and North African invasions; Berbers, North African Moors, Sephardic Jews, Mosaics Arabs. Al-Andalus left Spain looking like the least European country in the EU.

Southern France is a hodgepodge of Latino (Roman), Celtic, German, etc. Nimes, France is called the most Latino city outside of Roma, Italia. However, the Southern French people do not look like Northern Italians. Napoleon (who was Latino, himself) did not make Northern Italy look french when he conquered it in the 18th century.

Northern Italians are a mix of Latino from the Roman Empire, Celtics, Germans, Austrians, and the multitudes of Southern Italians who fled Southern Italy owing to WWII. The brown eyed and haired Northern Italians have a Latino face like Robert De Niro. They do not look Moorish like Antonio Banderas. And the other Northern Italian types like Celtics, Germans and Austrians, who mixed with the De Niro types, are quite lovely to look at. Sofiamagnotte (talk) 20:04, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your comment: "I've read through citations 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14 of this article and not ONE of them confirms any proof, mtDNA BS or otherwise, that Southern Italians are closest to Modern Greeks, while Northern Italians are closest to the Spanish and Southern French". You are absolutely correct. If those 4 citations do not support one sentence in this article, one must ask what else is unsupported. 14.2.206.29 (talk) 11:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]