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It is funny how the information about the connection between the Dutch Inteligence Agency AIVD and the genocide smuggler Frans van Anraat in the Dutch Wikipedia is censored and the "managers" there, have blocked the page in order to prevent this information to be added to the page! --Mani1 19:23, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Can this statement be backed up?

"The service's focus on leftist activism is legendary; leftist activists exhibit great measures of paranoia relating to the service's activities, whether real or imaginary. This focus on leftist, rather than right-wing or Islamic organizations is a legacy from the Cold War and historical threats posed by the Red Army Faction and such."

This statement is not backed up with a reference. I don't doubt that it has its roots in fact, but such a contentious statement must surely have a reference. Nach0king 10:15, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Interrogation of prisoners

I deleted the sentence "although their way of interrogating prisoners is questionable" under 'Influence and results'. This is obviously not based in fact. The Dutch security service has no executive powers, it cannot detain people. It can advice the police to detain a person, but any 'questionable' behaviour then can only be attributed to the police. --Tymen 22:41, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Critism

It's true that the AIVD had been critised for the Kahn-affaire. But investigation by Dutch journalists revealed that Kahn was deliberately left alone. This was ordered by the CIA, as former Dutch prime minister Lubbers told on record. See http://www.ochtenden.nl/artikelen/25234685/ (in Dutch, unfortunately)

Adding the "unreferenced" tag

Per the comment above, I don't doubt that alot of this articel is true, but it's SO UNREFERENCED that I couldn't let that pass without doing something. Anyone speak Dutch and/or know good, LEGIT, sources for this org? 68.39.174.238 03:43, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Added a english source. It was indeed claimed by the former prime minister. AlexP (talk) 18:39, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Office moved

The office moved from Leidschendam-Voorburg to Zoetermeer on 3 december 2007. Source: official site (Dutch). Calamarain (talk) 09:42, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

dutch synonym

many people in The Netherlands call the BVD/AiVD (De Klompen "clog" Gestapo) due to their total incapability in the 60/70 and later to stay out of international news "elephant in a china shop". should be added to their reputation locally. Markthemac (talk) 03:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Logo

I had added the 'new' logo File:Logo AIVD.svg and removed a version of the 'old' logo File:AIVD.jpg, but then I noticed in the article history that User:Fry1989 said in November 2017 that the old logo is still in use. Could someone find and add a citation for verification? – Editør (talk) 10:44, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I recently discussed this in the Facebook group for the Flags Of The World organisation. The AIVD appears to use the new standardised logo, but they still use the flag that is based on the old logo. This flag still flies at the AIVD HQ alongside a generic flag based on the standardised government logo. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:27, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Add List of Directors-General

I suggest to add a "List of Directors-General". Most of the other Wikipedia article about spy agencies have a section about their Directors-General or equivalent. But AIVD is missing such section. How about the draft table below? I tried to include sources in English when available. Ignore the empty spaces around this table. Somehow this Wikipedia Talk page does not fully support table display. In the article those space would not be display. Only the table.



Tenure
Name


2011–2018
Rob Bertholee^[1]^[2]


2018–present
Drs. H.W.M. (Dick) Schoof^[3]^[4]^[5]

Sources

^ Netherl (2019-04-27). "Rob Bertholee". Military Wiki. Retrieved 2019-04-27. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help)
^ "Curriculum Vitae of Lieutenant-General Rob Bertholee as published by the Dutch Ministry of Defence". 2019-04-27. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help)
^ "The AIVD: Who we are - About AIVD - AIVD". english.aivd.nl. 2015-09-07. Retrieved 2019-04-27. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help)
^ Justitie, Ministerie van Veiligheid en (2018-07-12). "Dick Schoof becomes Director General of the General Intelligence and Security Service". english.nctv.nl. Retrieved 2019-04-27.
^ Koninkrijksrelaties, Ministerie van Binnenlandse Zaken en (2018-07-06). "Dick Schoof directeur-generaal AIVD - Nieuwsbericht - Algemene Bestuursdienst". www.algemenebestuursdienst.nl (in Dutch). Retrieved 2019-04-27.

Francewhoa (talk) 00:03, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Netherl (2019-04-27). "Rob Bertholee". Military Wiki. Retrieved 2019-04-27. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help)

[2] "Curriculum Vitae of Lieutenant-General Rob Bertholee as published by the Dutch Ministry of Defence". 2019-04-27. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help)

[3] "The AIVD: Who we are - About AIVD - AIVD". english.aivd.nl. 2015-09-07. Retrieved 2019-04-27. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help)

[4] Justitie, Ministerie van Veiligheid en (2018-07-12). "Dick Schoof becomes Director General of the General Intelligence and Security Service". english.nctv.nl. Retrieved 2019-04-27.

[5] Koninkrijksrelaties, Ministerie van Binnenlandse Zaken en (2018-07-06). "Dick Schoof directeur-generaal AIVD - Nieuwsbericht - Algemene Bestuursdienst". www.algemenebestuursdienst.nl (in Dutch). Retrieved 2019-04-27.

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