Talk:Gedling Town F.C.

GA Review

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Nominator: Curlymanjaro (talk · contribs) 22:54, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Reviewer: Brindille1 (talk · contribs) 18:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

It seems like a review of this article is long, long overdue. I'll start this review today and hopefully finish leaving comments in the coming days. Looking forward to learning more about Gedling Town F.C!

• @Brindille1: thanks so much for picking this up and giving it such thorough attention. Brilliant suggestions so far.

History

Notts Amateur League

I don't have access to most of the sources in this section- assuming good faith here.

• "League's Junior Cup." Is this the title of the cup? If the title is "Junior Cup", but is run by the league, then this should be "league's Junior Cup" per MOS:CAPS

The latter. Done.

• "Prowess in the Cup was matched by League success," -> "Prowess in the cup was matched by success in the league," (There are multiple occurrences of this throughout the article).

Done.

• "delivering on slim promotion hopes to ascend to Division One ahead of 1987–88." -> Re-word this. Should be clear that the team was the one "delivering". Who viewed the promotion hopes as slim

Done.

• "In 1988–89" -> "In the 1988–89 season"

Done.

• "The team were promoted as champions to the Premier Division ahead of 1989–90, their last season in amateur football." This makes it sound like 89/90 was the last season in amateur football- is that the case? Also, is "Premier Division" the full name? Should this be red-linked?

It is the case. I meant the Premier Division of the Notts Amateur League; I hope I've clarified.

• General question- these amateur leagues aren't in the pyramid, correct? If they are, this section should note level numbers

Correct.

Central Midlands League

• I don't see that CML D1 is at the 12th level in either source. (Same issue with the references to the 11th and 10th levels later in the paragraph)

Thanks for this; it turned out to be more intricate than I thought, so I've consigned to a note. The references actually refer to the National League System, but, to make things more understandable, I've chosen to refer to the leagues' place in the overall English football league system instead (i.e. level 7 in the NLS is equivalent to level 11 in the overall pyramid). Let me know what you think.

• • I like the note (although the 2004-5 information isn't relevant to this article). Could you add this note to the "Season-by-season" table as well? It isn't intuitive that the lower CML leagues are outside of the pyramid yet they promote to a tier 10 league.
• First two sentences have duplicate citations (see WP:REPEATCITE)

Done.

• "The team led the League" -> "The team led the league"

Done.

• "Manager Mel Oliver stood down in February and was replaced by Dave Sands and Cameron Holroyd." Were they co-managers? Or consectutive. This is unclear.

Joint-managers. Done.

• "Finishing seventh in the League, Gedling captured the Wakefield Floodlit Cup..." -> "Gedling finished seventh in the league and captured the Wakefield Floodlit Cup"

Done.

• "manager Dave Sands conceded the League title in January and was sacked to be replaced by Ray Sully" -> This wording is awkward, maybe something like "failed to win the league title" or "the team was eliminated from title contention"

Done.

• "He was replaced in the new year..." Does either source mention why? It's jarring to go from the seven match unbeaten run to the replacement.

Good suggestion. Had a bust-up with his players, apparently. Done.

• "The club was disappointed to finish in sixth." This personifies the club- maybe "The club had a disappointing sixth-place finish"?

Done.

• "Paul Elrick and assistant Junior Glare were appointed managers for 1999–2000 as the team "lost out narrowly" 2–1 to Football League First Division side Grimsby Town in a pre-season friendly." These two events didn't happen simultaneously. These can be separate sentences.

Done.

• "good League form" -> "good league form"

Done.

Northern Counties East League

• "after which the club was pleased to finish in fifth" This personifies the club, and the only supporting source for this being a good finish is non-independent. I suggest changing this to something neutral like "and the team finished in fifth place in their first season".

Done.

• WP:REPEATCITE can apply to the first three sentences in the first paragraph

Done.

• " Darren Davis and assistant Gary Haywood..." I don't see a mention of the managers in either source

It's just because of the ancient website. If you click "Clubs" then "Div One" it pops up. No separate URL, unfortunately.

East Midlands Counties League

• "Included in these was a 2–1 victory over Dunkirk to lift the EMCFL League Cup, winning after extra time", "these" is ambiguous and the wording is a bit awkward. Maybe "This season included in the EMCFL League Cup final, in which the Gedling defeated Dunkirk 2–1 after extra time."

Done.

= Season-by-season record

• Which source supports "Promotion denied due to inadequate facilities" in the 2000-01 season? I wasn't able to find it. Also it'd be helpful to add the reason within the prose if you can support it with a source

Yes, an awkward one. The British Newspaper Archive only runs relevant sources up to 1999 and online reporting on the NCEL only started in 2002. I've changed the wording.

Club identity

• "Between 2002–03 and 2009–10 at least,[50][66]" I'm not sure what either source add here- not seeing any relevant info in them

Pesky non-league fragmentary sources... the first one is another NCEL "Clubs" then "Div One". The second has a recent picture of the team playing in yellow and blue.

• "(or all yellow or blue).[4][72]" Not sure what relevant info is in [4]

All blue socks (denoted by the last slash on the kit info).

• "The home kit mirrored the colours of the badge, introduced after 2007–08..." This makes it sound like the club didn't have a badge before 2007. I also think this sentence (and the next) is more relevant to the badge paragraph than this one. Can you move these last two sentences into the second paragraph (and ideally present information on each badge chronologically?)

Done.

Notable former players and managers

• I don't think this section adds anything without prose. I think the options for improving it are (A) present the roster at the time of folding (B) list select notable players or (C) remove it entirely. As (A) may not be possible, I'd suggest (C).

Done.

Ground

Riverside Stadium

• "before then, the Nottingham Evening Post erroneously referred to it as both the "Ferry Ground" and the "Ferry Boat Inn ground"." Unless either source is pointing out that the Nottingham Evening Post made a mistake, I'm not sure there are grounds to call it an error without crossing WP:OR. To make that claim within the article, you'd need a secondary source claiming that the other source made an error.

Done.

Citations

• I don't have access to most of these, so assuming good faith on them. It does stand out that the majority of the Nottingham Football Post/Nottingham Evening Post articles don't have authors in the citations, although this may just be standard for those publications.

I think so. It's all quite fragmentary.

• I've spot-checked a good number of these and they look good

Great.

Miscellaneous

• The logo at the top of the page seems to be distorted- isn't the correct logo a true circle? Does a better copy of this logo exist somewhere?

Sadly not as far as I know.

Good work on this Curlymanjaro. Putting this on hold to give you a chance to respond to comments.

• @Brindille1: thanks again. Article looks a lot better already.

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 15:26, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that Gedling Town F.C., then competing at the ninth tier of the English football pyramid, was once served by former England international Chris Waddle?

• Source: "Life After the Lane". Tottenham Hotspur F.C. 5 November 2003. Archived from the original on 14 August 2020. Retrieved 9 January 2024.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kiribati at the 2020 Summer Olympics

Improved to Good Article status by Curlymanjaro (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.

Curlymanjaro (talk) 12:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - n

Image eligibility:

• Freely licensed: - na
• Used in article: - NA
• Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article nominated for DYK within 7 days of reaching Good Article status. The article is long enough, has over 1,500 words of prose, and is properly cited. Earwig picked up a copyright violation 0%, maing it unlikely. QPQ is done. AGF on locked sources. The article in general has a lot of red links and I think that, if there are no plans on creating those articles, they should be removed. Hook is cited, but it doesn't seem particularly interesting to people outside of fans of football, so another one is recommended. lullabying (talk) 02:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that Gedling Town F.C.'s nickname "The Ferrymen" was inspired by the name of a pub located near the team's stadium?

@Lullabying and Curlymanjaro: How does this sound? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@Lullabying and Narutolovehinata5: Hi both. I based the original hook on a previous DYK of mine. I think it's also fair to say it's difficult to find an interesting fact about a grassroots football team that isn't also about football. However, if we prefer Naruto's suggestion, how about: ... that Gedling Town F.C.'s nickname "The Ferrymen" was inspired by the name of a pub located next to the team's stadium? Curlymanjaro (talk) 22:57, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I would prefer ALT1 or ALT1b. Good to go. lullabying (talk) 20:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

What Ferry?

Was there actually a ferry near the Ferry Boat Inn? Presumably it plied the River Trent; was it cross-river, or up- and down-river? jnestorius^(talk) 10:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Apparently the Ferry Boat Inn "takes its name from the ferry that plied from here to Shelford across the Trent" Dondervogel 2 (talk) 10:34, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I see it marked on the old Ordnance Survey map. I think it's worth mentioning, something like

This moniker reflected the site of the team's home ground, the Riverside Stadium, behind The Ferry Boat Inn pub, where a ferry had once crossed River Trent, linking Stoke Bardolph to Shelford.

jnestorius^(talk) 12:01, 12 November 2024 (UTC)