Talk:Ganokh

The original name

Minaro123, I don't understand this edit summary. The "sa" ending is present in the source, and it is there in the current pronunciation. Why did you remove that? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:05, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Note also that "Ganishah" is sourced to Mona Bhan, who speaks Brokskat. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:07, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: The reference have cited ག་ནོག། in Tibetan text which is a original hymnal .That's the reason I have removed it.Minaro123 (talk) 16:26, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

You might try typing out the entire line in Tibetan and then we can look at it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:08, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

ག་ནོག་སེ་ཅང་གི་ས་ལི་ཧོ་ཡ་ཤ་ཡང་དྲིང། Ga nog say chang gi sali ho yasha yandring Meaning: The holy willow is near Ganokh , Yasha yandring .

Here sali means : near . Lchang gi : willow .

Similarly:

18: ས་ནིད་ས་ཚུག་བེད། Sanid sa tsug bed . The original sentence should be : Sanid sa tsug si baid ,as per correct brokskat grammer . It means : The sanid village is built and settled .

Sanid is a hamlet of Dha village,which was settled down first .

Here you could notice , That The sa is also added with a 'sanid' . However sa is not a part of its name , We doesn't say ' sanid sa' , we simply say sanid . Sa is a grammatical term of ancient Brokskat langauge .

However ,i feel there is a mistake in translation from the editor , however i will once listen the original hyms from the elders of Dha and will let you Known.

Conclusion for now: There should be Ganog se' the literal pronounciation would be ' Ganog say.

Of lost goats and wars

Onpo dudo, a Brogpa man in his mid-eighties recalls taking a trip to Ganishah to retrieve his goats. Ganishah is a Brogpa village in Pakistan and is more popularly known as Ganoks now, a name for a defense post set up by the military in the village. Onpo dudo uses the original name, making me wonder for a second where the place is.

Ganishah, he tells me, is nearby. If the la (mountain pass) is crossed, we can get there. He had gone there in 1948. His goats were stolen from one of the nullahs by men from Ganishah. After walking for a couple of hours over the mountain pass, when Onpo dudo reached Ganishah, the village headman was not in his house. He recalls meeting with an old lady who was tending to her crop of mulo (turnips). She advised Onpo dudo to see her son. Dudo promised to gift the son one sen of salt if he would give away the names of the villagers who had stolen their goats. The son told him the names but since the headman was not in the village, he was asked to come back in the next few days. Soon after that, India and Pakistan fought their first war. Garkone fell under India and Ganishah went to Pakistan. The goats were never retrieved.
— Bhan 2006; p. 51

TrangaBellam (talk) 09:27, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

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Census data

@Abbasi786786: When was the last time Pakistan conducted a decent census of Gilgit-Baltistan? Ganokh used to be in the Skardu district (of GB) prior to 2015, and before , in the Baltistan District. TrangaBellam (talk) 12:24, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

1998 is probably the answer. Need to consult:

Government of Pakistan. 1972. Population Census of Northern Areas 1972: District Census Report Baltistan. Census Organisation. Ministry of Interior. States and Frontier Regions. Islamabad.

Government of Pakistan. 1984. 1981 District Census Report of Baltistan. Population Census Organisation. Statistics Division. Islamabad.

Government of Pakistan. 2000. 1998 District Census Report of Baltistan. Population Census Organisation. Statistics Division. Islamabad. TrangaBellam (talk) 12:36, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: Can you get hands on any of these volumes? TrangaBellam (talk) 18:02, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Only if we can persuade Chistopher Snedden to do another PhD on Gilgit-Baltistan. :-) -- Kautilya3 (talk) 05:43, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Haha! True that.

Lahore School of Economics has scanned and uploaded the district reports for all the censuses conducted in independent Pakistan except for Baltistan! TrangaBellam (talk) 08:34, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Did you find any AJK census in that repository? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:27, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

2017 but detailed data isnt availavke to us -- Abbasi786786 (talk) 15:39, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Ty! Unpublished, prolly. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:53, 29 January 2023 (UTC)