Talk:Galaktoboureko

No Difference with Bougatsa

This product very similar with bougutsa. Laz Böreği in börek article, bougutsa and galaktoboureko may be same in different cultures. --58.213.51.37 (talk) 22:03, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

How is this a Greek dessert, when its origin is Turkey, and its actual name is "Laz Boregi" (Turkish)? Laz is the name of a tribal group in the Black Sea region. ˜˜˜ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.254.45.58 (talk) 17:34, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Merger with Laz böregi

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To merge on the grounds that they are sufficiently similar to be discussed on the same page. Klbrain (talk) 14:13, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

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Multiple sources, including Turkish ones, show that Laz böregi and galaktoboureko are the same thing:

• [1]
• [2]: "they’re some minor differences between recipes but for the most part its the same idea, for example: some use semolina, others rice flour, cornstarch or regular flour"
• [3]

--Macrakis (talk) 19:27, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

I have merged the articles in the Turkish Wikipedia. Also, I opened a discussion about Galaktoboureko in Articles for deletion since this word is not used in Turkish (Laz böreği is used). If the discussion close as "delete", I have no problem with the merging, if not, I support that articles should be separated. Because when we type "Laz böreği" in google, it redirects to Galaktoboureko in Turkish Wikipedia. Even Turkish media made news about this issue. In the news, It says that the hometown of Laz böreği is Greece according to Google which takes information from the Wikipedia Laz (talk) 05:30, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

It makes perfect sense to use the more common term in each language.

Re Google getting information from Wikipedia, I changed the infobox to read "Ottoman Empire" instead of "Greece", and that should show up sooner or later in the Google infobox, so that's not a reason to not merge. --Macrakis (talk) 19:58, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

We can't use these sources because they may be following us. The source I have found in English is Johann Friedrich Unger who wrote that the laz boregi is made with custard or clotted cream and is similar (but not the same) as the Şöbiyet that is made with the semolina, but latter is made in traingular shapes. It's not a good candidate for a deletion or merge.. Spudlace (talk) 04:13, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't see why the various forms of börek filled with custard shouldn't be covered in one article, regardless of the shape. By the way, I don't see how you could make a börek with clotted cream, which would turn liquid when baked. --Macrakis (talk) 23:16, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Clotted cream doesn't turn liquid when baked, clots are formed by baking the cream which clots when heated ... We should follow reliable sources, the content of these sources is produced by experts in the subject which we aren't and we're not able to duplicate those processes here. Spudlace (talk) 08:49, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Support the merger. --Melsj (talk) 06:53, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

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  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 14:13, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm undoing this, there is no consensus to merge here. Spudlace (talk) 02:34, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Spudlace, you are incorrect. Drmies (talk) 02:40, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

I don't think I am. I count 2 votes in support and two against. I am confused by User:Laz's response, but reading it carefully, it does seem to be an oppose. "I support that articles should be separated" and noting that the supposed WP:RS used "takes information from the Wikipedia". Closing the discussion was premature. Spudlace (talk) 02:34, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Macrakis is in favor, Melsj is in favor. What Laz is trying to argue is not clear to me (and let's note that the article exists as an article only because of Laz's edits). That's 2 to 1, and while this is hardly an ideal example of a decent discussion, there is also no reason to let this run longer than it already has. What you can do is run this all over again, but if you do, please make sure to ping everyone in the history of the article--including Wugapodes and Puduḫepa. Drmies (talk) 03:04, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

By "run this all over again" do you mean recreate the article and open a new merger discussion? But I think it should have been deleted, not merged. Merger means that culturally sensitive foreign language terms are being redirected rather nonchalantly. It shouldn't be an "easy" substitute for WP:AfD. Laz pointed out that this has been controversial and offensive enough to be making headlines in foreign language newspapers, making Wikipedia look very bad in general, and all done without any WP:RS to support the messy redirects. At the very least, the burden of cleanup would ask that redirect should be deleted. Spudlace (talk) 03:22, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Re your count of positions, you count Laz as opposed. But in fact he merged the articles on the Turkish Wikipedia!

Re "Merger means that culturally sensitive foreign language terms are being redirected rather nonchalantly", please note that Wikipedia is not censored, and the fact that some readers find some terms to be offensive is not a reason to avoid them. For example, we talk about the Republic of China as well as Taiwan, though the PRC strenuously objects to that name for Taiwan. Wikipedia is organized by subject, not by name (cf. WP:Content forking and WP:NOTDICT). In any case, the Turkish commentator reported on in Turkish newspapers didn't object to the name, but to the fact that it was identified as a "Greek dessert". --Macrakis (talk) 18:38, 30 November 2020 (UTC)