Talk:Gainsborough Trinity F.C.

Merge stadium article

Not sure there's much point in having a separate article for the stadium just yet..can always be split off if/when there's enough verifiable info. Paulbrock 14:15, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

1915 FA Cup Final

I have been researching and filling out the article on the 1915 FA cup final and as I was preparing the stubs for the players I noticed that 3 of the players: two from Sheffield Joseph Kitchen (who scored) and Wally Masterman (who almost scored) and one from ChelseaFred Taylor had earlier played for Gainsborough Trinity. I thought it might add something to your history section Gmac101 (talk) 13:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Tom Morris (footballer)

I have added a short article about Tom Morris who played for Gainsborough Trinity before 1899 when he joined Tottenham Hotspur F.C..Tmol42 (talk) 12:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Ryan Semple

The Ulster banner is being used in this article to show the birth palce of this player which is against WP:FLAGBIO, it is also incorrect as the UB is not the flag of Northern Ireland see Northern Ireland flag issue. Mo ainm (talk) 14:20, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Gainsborough Trinity F.C.

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Gainsborough Trinity F.C.'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "First Team":

• From Clayton Donaldson: "First team: Clayton Donaldson". Crewe Alexandra F.C. Archived from the original on 23 March 2012.
• From Scunthorpe United F.C.: "First Team". Scunthorpe United. Retrieved 28 September 2022.
• From North Shields F.C.: "First Team". North Shields. Retrieved 29 May 2017.
• From Yeovil Town F.C.: "Yeovil Town First Team". Yeovil Town F.C. Retrieved 1 July 2022.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 16:52, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Kit cruft

@Footballgy: I have removed the kit section. Per WP:BRD, please refrain from reinstating it until you have gained consensus to do so. You blindly hitting the undo button is also removing reference formatting.

The manufacturer of the kit and shirt sponsors is simply WP:FANCRUFT. It's not notable information. The fact that it exists elsewhere isn't a good reason to degrade this article with it. Number 57 11:39, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

I have very little time for interaction on Wikipedia, however in this case following your principle then shall we go and remove these sections and tables from other football club articles then? Because if you care to look on other pages the kits and colours, sponsorship and kit suppliers is on a lot if not most football club articles for professional and semi-professional sides certainly in England. So I see no reason as to why you are blocking my attempt to expand this article with something that would bring it in line with others? Regardless a message in the first instance to discuss something is much more appreciated and welcome than just my reverting work and then offering very little opinion or direction until challenged. At the end of the day I am trying to expand this article using books I have sourced and links that are available online, I disagree that by adding a common section to this article is somehow degrading it. Thanks Footballgy (talk) 12:08, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

I simply can't see why it is notable or important to note that Trinity's kit was supplied by Prostar between 2010 and 2011, nor that Eastern Generation sponsored the kit between 1997 and 2000 (nor do so in such poorly formatted tables). Its an unwanted/unnecessary level of detail, hence labelling it WP:FANCRUFT. I have no objection to expanding this article (I actually started it way back in 2005 and did a decent expansion of it a few years ago), but not every expansion is useful.

As for the behavioural comments, I would again point you to WP:BRD – the onus is on you to start a discussion/challenge any removal. The comments on your talk page that you are being "bullied" are laughable – you need to get a sense of perspective. Having material challenged is a normal part of editing Wikipedia – you don't get to own articles and decide on their content. Number 57 12:19, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

To be quite honest with you I am not really interested in what you think is laughable or not? End of the day I am not phased by / or are seeking any opinions on any comment I've made, as I stand by what I said. it's born out of despite being on here for many years, I've seen it happen numerous times where a more experienced editor with either more barnstars / more user rights or what have you pulls his opinion on an article, then when challenged dresses it up and then runs it that to others to get involved and then here we are on a bank holiday having a dull conversation on a online encyclopedia website on whether or not a snippet and table on Gainsborough Trinity's kit should be included on a page? If you want to crop up a different table, have a pop yourself please be my guest, I am certainly not precious over improvements, It was one of several I have seen that are commonly used on other pages and in fact this was the better one of the two. Regardless of what you think is important or necessary / unnecessary , I revert back to what I have said numerous times, going off your opinion we should now go and remove similar tables off other teams pages, because why would we want to know that Lowfields made Lincoln City's kits between 1983 and 1985 or that Flamingo Land sponsored York City between 1990 and 1991? Feel free to go and remove those tables and see how this will quickly snowball for you? Maybe this is something you can go and get consensus for on all articles? Which has been my main point all along, this is a pretty common chapter on other pages, so why can't it be here but elsewhere? Footballgy (talk) 12:46, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, by all means remove if from other articles. This is basically a WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS-type argument. And worth pointing out there is also a difference between professional clubs playing in national divisions and non-League clubs in terms of what level of detail is appropriate (hence why many non-League clubs don't have current squad sections, because players aren't as notable). Not sure what you mean by snowballing, but I've checked through the WT:FOOTY archives, and when these sorts of tables have been discussed, views are similar to mine (e.g. here). My guess is that they exist elsewhere because they keep being added by less experienced users with the circular argument "because they exist on other pages" and no-one has the time or patience to go round and remove them all (similar to how one editor is currently trying to change all the honours sections to their preferred format despite repeatedly failing to gain consensus to do so, and largely not being reverted). I only did it here because this page is on my watchlist. Number 57 13:41, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

I'll leave that up to you, I'm not one for going and reverting work unless it's vandalism, unsourced or incorrect, as a football fan and a general reader of football content I would also find such information informative so I wouldn't agree with any consensus that it shouldn't be included, in terms of snowballing I mean you will encounter numerous similar occurrences with other editors if you start removing these tables, as I think most have been included for as long as I have been on here (2008). So with that you will create a lot of time and work for yourself in the process should you choose to start removing them. Footballgy (talk) 14:10, 29 May 2023 (UTC)