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Lineup debate

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A lot of people keep removing former members of the group, simply stating they "weren't part of the group", yet they were at some point or another, whether under the PCD name or the G.R.L. imprint. Most of them appeared in the Godaddy.com advertisements, which therefore proves they were in the group at one point, so removing them is erasing their involvement with the group, no matter how small or big. livelikemusic my talk page! 15:56, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Since this page is specifically about the music group, it is only necessary to list members that were part of the music group at some point. The group said in an interview once that they all signed the contract to be part of the group in March 2013, days after Estrada's inclusion. This would mean that all of the other past members were not contracted to be in the group. It is the exact same case as The Pussycat Dolls. Only contracted former members of the music group are listed. Asia Nitollano performed with the group once, but was never contractually obligated to join the group, therefore she is not listed. Furthermore, Mejia and Branche were never announced as part of the group. Appearing in promotional photos with the line-up at the time does not indicate official involvement. Additionally, Jenkins, Curry, Sayers and the aforementioned duo are still mentioned in one of the sections. DantODB (talk) 06:38, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
But several of them appeared in the Godaddy.com commercial, which means they were in some form, part of the group, contract or not. They've all been mentioned, and/or seen in media that advertised the group; and DantODB, removing them from the infobox while this conversation carries on is in violation of the rules on consensus, they have to stay there until consensus has been reached. livelikemusic my talk page! 17:24, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
For the time being, Branche and Mejia should be removed from the infobox since promotional photos from various parties do not indicate involvement and there were no official confirmation that they were part of the group. Furthermore, since this article is about the music group, it would be best to put only members of the music group in the infobox. Robin Antin, Cyia Batten, Kaya Jones and Kasey Campbell all appeared on the "Sway" music video with the Pussycat Dolls. Asia Nitollano performed as part of the group on television once, but since the Pussycat Dolls article is about the music group, it is only appropriate to put members and past members of the music group in the infobox. DantODB (talk) 07:17, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Dant, you're not understand, removing ANY of them while this discussion is happening, is against the consensus policy, as it shows you're attempting to gear the decision in your direction, instead of leaving it as it was when the discussion began, until a final decision is reached. If it's done again, I will be reporting it. As for their involvement, just because one article has something one way does not mean it's how it should be mirrored elsewhere; not how Wikipedia works as a public encyclopedia. Comparing that of G.R.L. to PCD is invalid, as there is only one G.R.L. page, while PCD has the burlesque group and recording group; G.R.L. was never a burlesque group. All of the girls were involved, at one point or another, within the group. Whether it be in promotional campaigns for advertisers or for other unspecified reasons. Confirmation was head, as Emmalyn stated Natalie left the group and was replaced, which implies her own involvement in the group as a recording facet. livelikemusic my talk page! 17:55, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It is well-known that Robin Antin's girl groups go through a number of line-up changes before being finalized. It is only right to treat G.R.L. the same way we treat Antin's other recording groups. The Pussycat Dolls originally had ten people in the recording group, but the final line-up consisted of six. Additionally, the group had four new members that performed with Nicole as The Pussycat Dolls in 2010 but this was never regarded as official, since no commercial projects were done with this line-up. The Paradiso Girls also went through line-up changes before their debut single was released, but only members that did commercial projects are credited in the infobox. It should be the same way with this group. I would also like to point out that before the GoDaddy commercial, there was another line-up that is not even mentioned in the line-up changes section. I also feel that the former group members that took part when the group was still a new line-up of The Pussycat Dolls would be incorrect because G.R.L. was announced to be a different group from The Pussycat Dolls after Estrada's inclusion. DantODB (talk) 09:17, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"Well known" to who, though? That's an assumption, and not what Wikipedia is about. You're providing me with run-around talk right now; there was a Godaddy.com commercial, which provides as commercial material and was confirmed as a debut for the GROUP, which therefore stands as a lineup for the group. Then changes were made post-commercial to the group, and were debuted elsewhere. Then more changes when some members left, due to pregnancy and other reasons. Whether they existed as a former PCD group, or a new group, they still existed and their existence cannot be ignored for whatever reasons you are seeing fit. Valid sources prove to see that the girls were part of the group, and therefore be mentioned. And once again, just because another page or pages do the same does the same thing, does NOT mean this page should follow suit, hence this discussion. And using that as a defense is not valid, per Wikipedia. livelikemusic my talk page! 14:58, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
None of the girls that were listed appear in any of the music videos or in any of the released songs, therefore they are not part of the group. 72.205.134.221 (talk) 09:21, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I do not understand why we cannot just follow how other girl groups credit their members if it is the exact same case. The GoDaddy commercial line-up would be inappropriate to be referred to as the debut for the music group, as it was not music-related. DantODB (talk) 13:04, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Because that is not how Wikipedia works, and being an editor since 2009, I would assume you would be aware of that. This isn't "What other pages do, we are going to do". And stop saying music-related. It was the group's lineup. There's only ONE group; there was never a burlesque group, etc. It's always been ONE group. There should be no differentiation. livelikemusic my talk page! 19:34, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Since this article is about a girl group, I think it would be inappropriate to list former members that never even did musical projects with the group in the infobox. I'm not taking away their involvement in the group; it's just that the mention of their involvement in a paragraph would be more appropriate than to credit them the same way Battle is credited, after having released an EP with the group. DantODB (talk) 17:21, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
But they were still part of the group, whether their involvement happened through musical releases are not; discrediting them their rightful place within the infobox is unfair. If people want to know why they're "past memebers", they can look within the article, which notes their appearance within the group and their leave from it. livelikemusic my talk page! 17:50, 23 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think the other girls should be removed. Look at the Spice Girls. Michelle Stephenson, Abigail Kis or Lianne Morgan are not part of the bandbox--CHR!S (talk) 04:50, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Removed other girls again since the majority of the users on this post do not believe they should be included! Huge456 (talk) 20:40, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
agreed they should not be mentioned, though the user who keeps adding them threatened me with a block! 213.105.80.22 (talk) 20:42, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Vaction???

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wasn't it the b-side for Ooh La La

Paula van Oppen capitalization per van (Dutch)

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We currently have conflicting capitalization schemes. I'm gonna be WP:BOLD as per van (Dutch) and make all instances of the 'full' name "Paula van Oppen" have "van" in lower case but capitalize it for standalone surname only instances of "Van Oppen". Warmest Regards, :)—thecurran Speak your mind my past 03:35, 30 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Labels

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GRLs new record label is LocoTalent. Someone please add this 😀 Musicgrls16 (talk) 00:23, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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G.R.L.?

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Has anyone any idea what the abbreviation G.R.L. stands for? No answer in this article anyway... Hartenhof (talk) 06:22, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So it's girl, obviously. I'm a bit slow... Hartenhof (talk) 12:26, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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