Talk:Fudge cake

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I think you should move the page's name to Fudge Cakes. (Not Fudge cakes) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.118.192.66 (talk • contribs)

Please add Wellington fudge cake to this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dave Kilby (talk • contribs)

Candidate for disambiguation

It seems that the "fudge cake" without additional qualifiers has multiple incompatible meanings. For example, using the links provided one can deduce that the recipe does use the actual fudge, while the lead says it does not. Perhaps, this article can be replaced by a disambiguation to (few, new) sections in chocolate cake and possibly a new article Wellesley Fudge Cake? Викидим (talk) 18:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think any of the links in this article go to a recipe that uses actual fudge as an ingredient? That could be done (it would work in a similar way to adding chocolate chips, I think), but it's not what "fudge cake" usually refers to.

I think Wellesley Fudge Cake as a separate article would be redundant, since it's not clear to me that it's a distinct variety of fudge cake, rather than a particular recipe/name that happens to be famous, and it's a significant part of the notability of fudge cake in general. Perhaps it should be a redirect. There is a case to be made for Tunnel of Fudge cake as a separate page, though I thought it was similar enough to include here (both Wellesley fudge cake and Tunnel of Fudge cake were designed specifically to imitate the richness of fudge and became popular because of their richness). Pachyderminator (talk) 17:59, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merging

You wrote that fudge cake "its own thing with its own history", but this isn't true: you added one link about Wellesley fudge cake, which is made with Dutch-processed cocoa powder, buttermilk, and granulated sugar, and another link about tunnel-of-fudge cake, which is made with natural cocoa powder, more eggs but no milk, and dark brown sugar. The latter article says that Dutch-processed cocoa is "a disaster for you" and that "dark brown sugar brings out a fudgy taste in chocolate." These are different cakes that just happen to use the same word in their names, you can't say it's "its own thing" in one article. "Fudge cake received another popularity boost in 1966" is blatantly false because Ella Rita Helfrich's recipe merely "used a fudge icing mix" and was entirely different, there's no indication the same cake received a boost! Sure, there are a variety of recipes that are called "fudge", but there's simply no basis for a standalone article that brings together such different cakes. Therefore, since there are so many ways to adapt a chocolate cake and this is not a specific product, this should redirect there. Reywas92^Talk 00:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I won't fight you any further on this, it might have been a stretch to group those two cakes in one article. I do still think that both Wellesley fudge cake and Tunnel of Fudge cake are notable in their own right, perhaps as subsections in chocolate cake (which needs to be expanded anyway). Pachyderminator (talk) 20:26, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Reywas92 I would like to comment, however, that you did not perform the merge properly. You simply redirected the article without copying the information I added, which was well sourced. Pachyderminator (talk) 11:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]