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Are we sure the plural is "frescoes?" The spelling "frescos" outnumbers it on google by about 40 to 1. Not that google is the supreme authority, but you might think more websites would use the correct spelling.

A fresco (plural frescoes) is any of several related painting types. The word comes from the Italian affresco which in turn derives from fresco ("fresh"), which has Germanic origins. Fresco paintings can be done in two ways: Buon fresco paintings are done on wet plaster, while a secco paintings are completed on dried plaster

i think its right

I removed this phrase from the page on 6 Jan 2009  : "One famous fresco artist from the Renaissance is Mark. " I think this was some sort of vandalism of sorts. No known fresco artist by such a name exists. Plus, suspicious that they made no space before adding this sentence--at the end of the paragraph--just sloppy.

s.m. cummings —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.175.142 (talk) 15:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Pictures

Some pictures in the article are real big, someone should make them smaller. Peace. xD Dragon Lost In Mexico 03:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Why include the mosaic from the Arian baptistery in Ravenna? A mosaic is not a fresco. AN May 20, 2010.

Etymology

So is the word italian or portuguese?

Luciano Medevici

Uirdhein in a 02:14, 12 November 2006 edit added to Selected examples of frescoes: Italian Late Medieval-Quattrocento:

• Luciano Medevici, a monochromatic fresco, destroyed in a fire in 1944.

It appears that this is part of the perpetration of a hoax. Not only is Luciano Medevici not mentioned in any art history books, he is specifically not mentioned in the source that was supplied as a reference in the Luciano Medevici article, namely Merrifield, Mary P. (2004). The Art of Fresco Painting in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance. Dover Publications. The Dover edition of the Merrifield book is a direct reprint (not a new edition) of Merrifield, Mary P. (1846) The art of fresco painting, as practiced by the old Italian and Spanish masters with a preliminary inquiry into the nature of the colours used in fresco painting C. Gilpin, London, OCLC 221207161 and is available in full text at Google Books. Reviewing that copy, I found no mention of Luciano Medevici, nor of any "monochromatic fresco". It was the "monochromatic fresco" that first caught my eye, as that would have been very "outside the box" at a time and place that celebrated colour. (Also a truly "monochromatic fresco" would be a plain plastered wall.) The editor who created the Luciano Medevici article, Lambdai, said in July 2006 in defense of a charge of hoaxing: The man constitutes a minor historical footnote, I've added the citation (my bad). If anyone has anymore information about Luciano Medevici I'd love to hear from them. Lambdai made a total of eight edits, all of which directly related to the Luciano Medevici article. I have removed the reference to Luciano Medevici and his monochromatic fresco form the article. --Bejnar (talk) 07:01, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The Luciano Medevici article was deleted 07:35, 26 September 2009, as a confirmed hoax. --Bejnar (talk) 08:36, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Carbonation

This is in response to misinformation found in the main article about the technical description of fresco painting, and specifically the notion that pigment "sinks" into the plaster. Citing soon to follow.

It is important to understand that the pigments in a buon fresco, do not "sink" into the plaster as perviously thought. Instead, water and pigment are added by brush to a fresh, yet firm plaster surface. The plaster acts like a dense filter, which draws water in but keeps pigment particles at the surface. The water's movement through the plaster (both inward and outward) helps generate the chemical reaction needed to bind the pigments at the surface (again, they have not sunk into the plaster). The reaction, namely carbonation, is the formation of fiber-like calcium carbonate crystals at places where the acting agent of lime plaster (calcium hydroxide) is exposed to carbon dioxide (at the surface of a plaster wall for example). This crystallization is known to fresco painters and lime workers as the "crust" or "lime crust". In fact, a small film of crystals will be visible floating at the top of the painters cups at the end of a day of fresco painting. More substantial crystal formations (resembling a thin film of ice that can be touched with a finger) will form at the top of sludge buckets used for cleaning the trowels etc.

So in review the pigment in a buon fresco is not bound due to its penetration into the plaster wall. Rather it is the opposite (in most cases) where the binder is secreted to the surface, which holds the pigment particles in place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicholsmike (talk • contribs) 14:20, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Proper definition

Is there a proper differentiation in definition between a fresco and a relief painted in fresco? If not, then the oldest surviving frescoes are a thousand years older and date from the Fourth Dynasty of Egypt (2613–2498 BCE) of the Old Kingdom of Egypt (c. 2686 BC–c. 2181 BC), one-thousand years before the Minoan frescoes. Examples already on Commons would include [1] and [2]. A controversial non-relief Fourth Dynasty fresco, likely to be a 19th century forgery, are the so-called Meidum Geese from the tomb of Nefermaat (image see there). This uncontroversial one even appears like a proper fresco, rather than a relief (you can tell it's not been traced or copied to paper by the crack in the upper left corner), from the same period of 2613–2498 BCE.

Also, the frescoes on Crete are not the oldest surviving Minoan frescoes we have. The Crete frescoes date from c. 1500 BCE, whereas the Minoan frescoes from Akrotiri, on the island of Santorini (classically Thera), date from more than a century earlier, as the volcanic ash that buried the settlement has been dated to c. 1630 BCE (with an accuracy of plus-minus 20 years), using the radiocarbon method.

Finally, does the Aegean Sea really belong to the Ancient Near East, as the section heading currently claims? --79.242.222.168 (talk) 16:46, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

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Spellings

Removed some Moldavian city names that employed English respelling.

"Fresco painting" vs. "fresco"?

Regarding this edit from Brogo13 at Prometheus (Orozco), is it appropriate to say "fresco painting" (as is done in some places at this article), or should it always be just "fresco"? My understanding is that the word can refer to both the painting itself and the technique used to paint it, so when referring to the latter, it'd be appropriate to say "fresco painting", and doing so could help for readers who might not know what a fresco is. Thoughts? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:39, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

"muralist"? --Brogo13 (talk) 23:38, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Brogo13: I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Please clarify? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:09, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

"Half the people you know are below average." —Anon

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Uh ... No? --Brogo13 (talk) 06:42, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Illustrations

I wonder why every second illustration comes from Bulgaria / Thrace / Balkans. What about WP:UNDUE? Ghirla^-трёп- 21:32, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

A horrible pile-up of random images under the main bulk of the article should also be eliminated. Johnbod, what do you think? Ghirla^-трёп- 21:32, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Agree! Johnbod (talk) 19:28, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

contemporary art

analyze of fresco 216.247.83.13 (talk) 06:02, 3 February 2023 (UTC)