Talk:French ironclad Gloire

Military history: Maritime / European / French

This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion not met Coverage and accuracy: criterion not met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion met

Associated task forces:
/
	Maritime warfare task force
	European military history task force
	French military history task force

Ships C‑class

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Ships, a project to improve all Ship-related articles. If you would like to help improve this and other articles, please join the project, or contribute to the project discussion. All interested editors are welcome. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.ShipsWikipedia:WikiProject ShipsTemplate:WikiProject ShipsShips
C	This article has been given a rating which conflicts with the project-independent quality rating in the banner shell. Please resolve this conflict if possible.

France Mid‑importance

	France portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject France, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of France on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.FranceWikipedia:WikiProject FranceTemplate:WikiProject FranceFrance
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Untitled

Both the article and links to it say the ship's name is "La Gloire". Is the feminine article actually party of the official name? If not, "La Gloire" is wrong, because in French, ships are male. It would be "le Gloire". -- 213.172.121.249 00:59, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The ship name is indeed "La Gloire" as indicated in the Illustrated London News caption. In French, the word ship is indeed masculine ("un bateau"), but individual ship names can be feminine or masculine (cf FS La Motte-Picquet, La Fayette (F710). Somebody changed the name of the article to "FS Gloire" a while ago, but it should be "FS La Gloire". In any case "Le Gloire" is not possible. PHG 01:14, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to be direct, but your examples are bollocks : you managed to pick both examples among names of people.

Better examples are La Gracieuse or La Glorieuse ("the Gracious one" and "the Glorious one", respectively). Typically, when commons names used for a ship name, the "le/la" is not part part of the name : "S606 Perle" (not "La Perle"). English speakers tend to put "le/la" everywhere for a good and a bad reason :

Good reason : it is tricky because of the substantivied adjectives (La Glorieuse, Le Redoutable). In these cases, the "le/la" sems to be part of the name
Bad reason : its "sounds" French (to non-speakers). These kind of people also capitalise randomly, put accents anywhere, confuse é with è, and even cedillas. I hate them. :)

Besides, you are right : "Le Gloire", never ever. Rama 10:08, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just went to the Musee de la Marine last week, and the ship is designated as "La Gloire" although GLOIRE is put in italics and LA is not. Ex: "MISE A L'EAU DE LA FREGATE LA GLOIRE". What do you think? PHG 10:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The placement of the italics suggests that the name is "Gloire". On the on the hand, I have never seen her refered to as, for instance, "la frégate Gloire", but always as "la frégate la Gloire" (on the other hand, you do say things like "le chaland de débarquement Rapière") ; I suspect that la Gloire is some sort of exception. Frankly, names of ships can be tricky. Rama 12:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

PS: did you enjoy the museum ? Have they opened all the rooms ? Last time I went, a part of the museum was under repairs and I could not see the models of ships of the line of Louis XV and Louis XVI, I was so frustrated... Rama 12:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've just added that the La Gloire's armour was backed with 17inches (43cm) of timber. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.206.163 (talk) 14:51, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry

This article states: "However La Gloire was soon herself rendered obsolete by the launching in 1860 of the British HMS Warrior, the world's first iron-hulled warship." Of course, the first USS Michigan was actually the world's first iron-hulled warship, launched in 1843 and commissioned in 1844, well over a decade before either La Gloire or Warrior. The description of La Gloire is correct in that she was the first "ocean-going" ironclad, but sorry, Warrior was not the first iron-hulled warship, perhaps if you added the qualificatino "ocean-going" then you'd be accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.32 (talk) 15:45, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Service history - Wartime

Since she was in the French fleet during the Franco Prussian war, it would be good to see a sentence or two to cover her role in that war. Ϣere SpielChequers 11:51, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Image gallery

An image of la Couronne (as modified to a gunnery school ship) is included in the gallery. I feel that it doesn't belong here, but what do others think? Couronne was not a half-sister or "near-sister" to Gloire, being of a different form and construction as designed and completed. Furthermore, she has her own article. Considering that the Gloire and sisters were never converted for school ship use (nor were the later and much more similar Provence-class ships) I feel that the image adds nothing to this article. 2A00:23C7:3119:AD01:49C5:967A:1826:AC3B (talk) 16:52, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]