Talk:French invasion of Honolulu

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HJH source?

I was checking sources and noticed: "Hawaiian Journal of History: Devoted to the history of Hawaii, Polynesia and the Pacific area, Volume IV, 1967" The HJH is online, see web site] but it looks to me like volume 4 would be 1970, not 1967, and I do not see an article on this subject on the pages indicated. I know google books has some incomplete scans of these too, but going directly from the source is generally more accurate. I did find an article from HJJH 1970 that seems relevant. But the pages do not line up either to citations. W Nowicki (talk) 23:56, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Raid vs Invasion

According to our article on invasion, this counts as a invasion. A fluid use of these definition can be seen by the shortest war in history, the Anglo-Zanzibar War. KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:38, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

the French government was asked for a three day raid. "Invasion" is typically used for much larger and complex events. Rjensen (talk) 05:50, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. It’s a choice what is used by the historians. The Anglo-Zanzibar War took half an hour without the knowledge of the central London government. Based on the articles and dictionary definition of the word invasion, it is a very broad term that can be mean any forcible military entry to another country.KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:55, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also I have to remove “The United States under the Tyler Doctrine rejected any permanent French or British attack and France never attacked again.” The Tyler Doctrine dates to 1842 so I don’t see how it help deterred the British occupation in 1843 and the French occupation in 1848. The agency in the change needs to be placed back to the Hawaiians themselves. France stop pestering the Hawaiian Kingdom for multiple reasons including the changes in consuls who were less belligerent than Dudoit or Dillon, the ceasing of Catholic persecution (both French occupations in 1839 and 1848 were triggered by insults or abuse of the rights of French Catholics; in this case Governor Kapeau destroyed the property of Catholic priests)m and just an overall improvement in Hawaii-French international relations.KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:55, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Source

What is "Hawaiian Journal of History: Devoted to the history of Hawaii, Polynesia and the Pacific area, Volume IV, 1967"? KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:56, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't seem to be this. https://evols.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/handle/10524/12137 KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:58, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]