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I think that it is sort of close minded to consider the French Renaissance to begin with the French invasion of Italy in 1494. I mean have you heard of the Western Schism? Avignon was a central hub of Western Europe and had a library well stocked with books from classical antiquity and modern Italy alike. Italian art and poetry was all the rage there and many Italians immigrated to the area. I mean sure this all sort of faded away (or moved east to the Kingdom of Burgundy) after the Council of Constance ended the Western Schism in 1417 and the 100 Years War started to wear down the culture, but come on... The French were right there with the Italians as far as Renaissances go from 1378-1417, no doubt. Considering how really cool the French Renaissance was (see below :-) I wish that somebody would hit this article up the way that it deserves to be.

All divisions into strict "periods" (renaissance, manierist, baroque, modern, etc.) are a little questionable... especially for this period (see for example Johan Huizinga's The Autumn of the Middle Ages). For this reason, the History of France subpage is broader in scope: Early Modern France. The choice of the French invasion of Italy as a starting point for the French Renaissance is however traditional... although it depends a lot on what aspect of the Renaissance one is speaking of : publishing, humanism, architecture, visual arts, music, poetry, romance... (note that the French Renaissance literature page addresses the issue of humanistic and Italian literature and its impact on French literature). It sometimes also depends on your definition of "France" (Provence was not incorporated into the French royal domain until 1481 under Louis XI of France).

This being said, why don't you include a section on the period before the invasion of Italy on this page, but be specific about what specific techniques were brought to France, by whom and when (architectural forms, oil painting, single-point perspective). If you have specific issues with literature of the 14th and 15th centuries, then flesh out the appropriate sections in Medieval French literature.

Oh, and please sign you comments to discussion pages. --NYArtsnWords 11:17, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The french renaissance was really cool.

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This article is in need of expansion, notably in the areas of architecture and music. It could also use some critical judgements on the notion of "Renaissance" (see English Renaissance). --NYArtsnWords 19:44, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]