Talk:French 75 (cocktail)

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really?

The French 75 was popularized in America at the Stork Club in New York, and appears in the movie Casablanca (1942).

why would someone just make this up? im removing this. it certainly is not in the movie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Themastermixologist (talk • contribs) 05:51, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Where does the name really come from?

Given that all the sources say the drink is originally from Paris and the city is in the French department with INSEE code 75, I think the whole howitzer mention should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.220.153.156 (talk) 07:46, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikibooks move

Please don't remove the Move to Wikibooks tag. What this really does is >copy< an article to wikibooks, not move it. The original stays in place. Only remove the tag if you believe that this article should not be copied to wikibooks. --Xyzzyplugh 02:26, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gin vs. Cognac controversy

so yeah and theres this and all

This is a great classic cocktail full of history. This drink is believed to be created at Harry's New York Bar in Paris in 1915. However, there is no conclusive evidence that the drink was created there or at that specific date. The drink appears in print as early as:

The practical hotel steward - Page 39 by John Tellman in 1913

"75 Cocktail"

This drink is commonly called a "french 75" which is believed to be composed of gin, fresh lemon juice, simple syrup, and champagne. Other sources claim this drink is made with brandy. Even today there is still some confusion over the base ingredient in this drink.

The 75 has come to be known as a variation on the french 75 in which you substitute Gin for Brandy, but as seen in this piece of early literature the 75 and the french 75 are one in the same:

Cyclopedia of law and procedure: Volume 23 - Page 61 by William Mack, Howard Pervear Nash in 1906

"United States — USV Ash, 75 Fed. 651. 75 cocktail. — Courts take judicial notice that 75 cocktail, a compound of which consist of French brandy, California brandy, or any other kind. Xeiv Fort.— Blatz"

The name of this drink certainly derives from the french 75 mm howitzer, which was invented in 1897. There is no specific location associated with this drink, other than France. World War one had many conflicts and it is difficult to determine where exactly this drink was created.

This drink dates between 1897 - 1905 and contained at least as of then:

Shake these ingredients:

Cognac

Fresh Lemon Juice

Simple Syrup

Strain into a champagne flute

Top with champagne

Ill be editing this soon.Themastermixologist (talk) 05:43, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think this deserves some discussion in the article. Some accounts have gin as the original spirit in the drink, with later versions replacing it with cognac to better fit the "French" theme. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.3.207.112 (talk) 16:53, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, the article cites the Savoy Cocktail Book from 1930 as the first published version of the recipe. I have this book and just checked it, and it uses gin, not cognac in the recipe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.3.207.112 (talk) 17:00, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Even the link in the article to the recipe from the Savoy Cocktail Book has the gin version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.3.207.112 (talk) 17:07, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

http://ohgo.sh/archive/french-75-recipe-champagne-cocktail/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.3.207.112 (talk) 16:55, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So you have a 1930's book? big deal. I have already proven this one to date to around 1900, so what's your point? and it wasn't gin then. Why are you so stuck on this gin thing? Everyone knows gin comes from france.... wait... no it doesn't... . . . Is this really what people think? gin comes from france? Keep reading that book sweetie, ill make you all look retarded in the very near future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drinkreader (talk • contribs) 18:39, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]