Talk:Fredi Beleri

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Peshkëpi incident

User:Demetrios1993 I think that the section is not very long. The main article is very short. I think it contains the essentials to understand the "incident" and what followed for Beleri later on. D.S. Lioness (talk) 18:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dora: I removed the {{summarize section}} tag. I saw that you removed some content from the section (diff); but to be honest, I still believe that it requires some additional trimming, or a more concise summary. Anyway, since the article has expanded, I don't think it is that big of an issue. Demetrios1993 (talk) 19:17, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move request

@Discospinster: I followed the instructions about a move request but I cannot click on the blue "add topic" button. The preview and everything works properly, but clicking "add topic" has no effect. The "cancel" button" works, do you know why? Open Free Eye (talk) 18:23, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What page are you trying to add a topic to? ... discospinster _talk 19:12, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 15 September 2024

It has been proposed in this section that Fredi Beleri be renamed and moved to Fredis Beleris.

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Fredi Beleri → Fredis Beleris – "Fredis Beleris" is the name that Beleris chose to use for himself as proved by the official website of the EU parliament. "Fredi Beleri" is common only in Albania because Albanian authorities systematically removed, and still remove, the "S" from all names of the members of the ethnic Greek Minority, without giving the option to people to choose. Please note that I am not talking about the official name which includes the name "Dionysios". My point is that Fredis Beleris is a person who should be called with the name he chose and not with an incorrect name that is enforced in Albanian documents although Beleris has already made effort to write his name in a different way in the Greek documents. Beleris is neither a town nor a mountain so that wikipedia calls him with the name other people chose for him. Beleris is a human and became popular because he aims at protecting the violation of human rights of the ethnic Greek Minority in Albania, and "being called" with his correct name is one of them. In Beleris' case, the official name in Greece and EU matches the one he uses for himself, so there is no doubt about official versus common. The only doubt is about using a name enforced by Albanian authorities 50 years ago or accepting the name he likes for himslef. Open Free Eye (talk) 18:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The information on the page is anyway incorrect and inconsistent re his name in Albanian and Greek. The Albanian version refers to the common name, and the Greek version refers to the official name.

The official name of Beleris in Albanian identification documents is "Dhionisios Alfred Beleri" as proved by the official website for albanian elections.

The official name of Beleris in Greek identification documents is "ΜΠΕΛΕΡΗΣ ΔΙΟΝΥΣΙΟΣ-ΦΡΕΝΤΗΣ" as proved by the official website for greek elections, which is mapped to "BELERIS DIONYSIOS-FRENTIS" by using the default system ELOT 743 of the greek authorities for converting greek to latin characters.

"Fredi" is derived from "Alfred"; it's not official, but it's common name. However, the common name used by Beleris himself is "Fredis Beleris" and not "Fredi Beleri" as proved by official website of the EU parliament.

This naming issue is trivial for someone who knows this problem with Greek names changed by albanian authorities, but I understand it's a mess for someone who is not aware of this specific problem of the ethnic Greek Minority in Albania. Open Free Eye (talk) 06:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The user who undoes your edits seems like a jobsworth, so we are forced to discuss the obvious. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 18:01, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If by "jobsworth" you mean someone who expects editors to follow the policies of Wikipedia, then sure I'm one of those. ... discospinster _talk 19:38, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about redirect and not move ? Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 02:15, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because a redirect (or cutting and pasting the content into another article) will not preserve the editing history of an article, which is required for attribution. However, if the article is moved, the history is moved with it. ... discospinster _talk 15:23, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Got it! Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 16:42, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with your reasoning. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 17:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]