Talk:Fraunces Tavern

One building or two

The Fraunces Tavern museum treats the building as a continuous structure, and presumably they are in a position to know. Unless you have documentation that indicates the old structure was entirely demolished, it should be treated as one building. Nowhere except in your version of the article is Fraunces Tavern treated as two buildings. Given all of the fires and rennovations that occured in the 19th century, if every one was considered a "new building" then we could say there were five Fraunces Taverns just as easily as two. The controversy over the rennovation is addressed in a NPOV manner. Sylvain1972 17:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

First, the museum is not impartial; they have a vested interest in depicting the structure as a continuous structure with a pre-Revolutionary War existence. "Nowhere except in your version of the article is Fraunces Tavern treated as two buildings," is blatently false. The American Institute of Architects views it as a new building, and dates it to 1907.

You are making the

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argument. The point is that until the turn of the twentieth century the structure had a continuous existence. The reconstruction which was completed in 1907 is effectively a new building, which constitutes a guess as to what the original Fraunces Tavern might have looked like. To represent it as the original building updated is fraudulent, when we know better. -- Cecropia 17:24, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

You've erased the information indicating that the structure did not have a "continous existence" in the sense that it was burned and extensively renovated many times in the 19th century--the reason, in fact, that no one knew what the 18th century building looked like in 1907. There is no indication that the 1907 renovation was more comprehensive than earlier ones.

Here is an article in the New York Times identifying Fraunces Tavern as "the oldest building in Manhattan" :http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E03E0D61338F93AA15757C0A962948260

Furthermore, my version at least acknowledges the difference of opinion right way, rather then present one point of view as unchallenged fact. Sylvain1972 18:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

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