Talk:Frank Soo

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Did you know ... that Frank Soo has been the only person of East Asian descent to play for the England national football team?

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Played for England

I know it's generally acknowledged on the internet that he is the first non-white player to play for England. The fact is that these were 'unofficial' England matches. As such, i don't think his 9 caps for England should be included in his infobox as it's confusing and Wikipedia should be accurate. You'll find no record of him in List of England international footballers (alphabetical) or on England Stats. At the very least a note stating these were "unofficial"? extraordinary (talk) 09:12, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Three appearances for Reading

He played as a guest in three wartime games for Reading. This is shown on the website"1871 the ultimate Reading F.C. website in the "where are they now" section. I have attempted to include this in his career record but seem to have made a complete pigs ear of it. Can you please put this right and tell me how to make such a change correctly? Ericsback (talk) 13:37, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pigs ear now fixed! ;-) extraordinary (talk) 13:28, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh sorry, and also how to fix it. It's not the easiest thing to figure out that infobox. Check out Template:Infobox_Football_biography_2 for more information. Essentially for the different clubs you have 'years', 'clubs' and 'caps(goals)' in this (Frank Soo) example. You'll notice in the code that these also have numbers after them, ie. years1, clubs1. So the second club a player plays for would be 2 and the third one 3 and so on. In this example i've put Reading in as club number 6. As a result you then have to knock up the numbers of all the following clubs he played for.Sorry if i've explained that really badly!! I find just having a good look at the code and seeing how it relates to the final table tends to help me. extraordinary (talk) 13:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

pics

Are there reallyno pics of him? can someone add one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.191.186.136 (talk) 05:10, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Kosack (talk · contribs) 09:03, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look at this one, will post review as soon as possible. Kosack (talk) 09:03, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Initial review

Infobox

Not a major issue, but is there a reason you have two refs for his full name even though there doesn't appear to be any contradictions?

Removed one.--Echetus Xe 13:12, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source for his height?

I cannot find one.--Echetus Xe 13:12, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Prescot Cables are listed as a youth team but in the text it states he began his senior career with the side?

Done.--Echetus Xe 13:12, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Linking Chinese but not English seems rather unnecessary. Nationalities are generally considered an WP:OVERLINK.

Done.--Echetus Xe 13:12, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"and then was moved on to Luton Town", a little overlong perhaps. Given the later part of the sentence gives a timeframe, I don't think we need both then and was together. Reads a little clunkily I would say.

Done.--Echetus Xe 13:12, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Any reason Djurgården aren't linked?

Done.--Echetus Xe 13:12, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Early and personal life

Our own article on laundry would suggest that the British English wording would support laundrette rather than laundry?

Done.--Echetus Xe 13:12, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Stoke City

The final part of this section appears unreferenced. Paragraphs shouldn't really end without a source.

Done.--Echetus Xe 13:12, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No need to link Poland.

Done.--Echetus Xe 13:12, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

World War II

Same as above with the first paragraph here.

Done.--Echetus Xe 13:12, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Add the abbreviation (RAF) after Royal Air Force to explain future uses of the shortened term.

Done.--Echetus Xe 13:12, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"pathological dislike of star players", do we know who made this quote? It seems a little like its being stated as fact rather than an opinion.

I've changed the sentence.--Echetus Xe 13:12, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Luton Town

The second half of the paragraph appears unsourced.

Done.--Echetus Xe 23:54, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Chelmsford City

"Soo signed with Chelmsford City directly from Luton", is directly needed here?

Done.--Echetus Xe 23:54, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Kidderminster Harriers made of a bid of £1,000", doesn't quite work.

Changed.--Echetus Xe 23:54, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"City finished in fourth-place position", position isn't really necessary here, fourth-place is perfectly explanatory I would say.

Done.--Echetus Xe 23:54, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Again, could do with a ref for the end of the section.

Done. Weird habit I developed.--Echetus Xe 23:54, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Managerial statistics

As obvious as it is, the table could do with a total.

Done.--Echetus Xe 23:54, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

Refs 1 and 2 appear to have expired.

Changed.--Echetus Xe 23:54, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 23 has an available author.

Done.--Echetus Xe 23:54, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

- The rsssf sites have available authors at the bottom of the page, in these cases it's Barrie Courtney, not the actual website. Also your new rsssf addition uses a slightly different format of web address, the use of www., it would be better to stick to one style for consistency. Kosack (talk) 06:57, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Okay done.--Echetus Xe 23:52, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 24 needs filling out, publisher, accessdate etc. Is the site a reliable source as well?

Done. Yes it is.--Echetus Xe 23:54, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This ref doesn't appear to have changed? Kosack (talk) 06:57, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed the source now.--Echetus Xe 23:52, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Refs 44 and 50 require an accessdate.

Done.--Echetus Xe 23:54, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No change made to 44 (now 48)? Kosack (talk) 06:57, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed that line now, I can't access the source to check it.--Echetus Xe 23:52, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 51 appears to have expired (the joy of FIFA's ever moving web pages).

Seems fine?.--Echetus Xe 23:54, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

~~It's not working for me still, I'll try it from a desktop when I get to work later, see if that makes a difference. Kosack (talk) 06:57, 17 December 2019 (UTC)~~[reply]

Working for me from a desktop, seems the issue is just with mobile. Kosack (talk) 13:21, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 54 needs a publisher and the title should avoid using WP:ALLCAPS.

Done.--Echetus Xe 23:54, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Overall, this is a high quality piece of work. A few minor issues to address, so placed on hold for now. Kosack (talk) 14:57, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I've acted on those, thanks very much for the review!--Echetus Xe 23:54, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@EchetusXe: Add a ping incase you missed my follow up comments on the refs. Kosack (talk) 08:03, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Kosack: Okay thanks.--Echetus Xe 23:52, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@EchetusXe: The only thing I would add is that the height should really be removed if we have no source for it. I can't find any anything to support this in a search so it seems rather unfounded. Other than that, I'll be happy to promote this. Kosack (talk) 19:45, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Kosack: Okay excellent, I've removed the height. Thanks for your work.--Echetus Xe 17:12, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, well done on the article. I'm happy this meets the relevant GA criteria. Promoting. Kosack (talk) 07:40, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]