Talk:Francis W. Kelly

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Did you know... that Marine chaplain Francis W. Kelly was known as "Father Foxhole" for his presence on the front lines of the Pacific Theater?

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The result was: promoted by Kimikel talk 02:25, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Francis Kelly

... that Marine chaplain Francis W. Kelly (pictured) was known as "Father Foxhole" for his insistence on being on the front lines of the Pacific Theater?

Source: Fitzpatrick, Frank (Apr 15, 2018). "Saga of Philly's 'Father Foxhole'". The Philadelphia Inquirer. Retrieved 21 September 2024.

ALT1: ... that Chaplain Francis W. Kelly (pictured), who participated in the World War II battles of Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Okinawa and Iwo Jima, was known as "Father Foxhole" for his insistence on being on the front lines? Source: Fitzpatrick, Frank (Apr 15, 2018). "Saga of Philly's 'Father Foxhole'". The Philadelphia Inquirer. Retrieved 21 September 2024.

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Moved to mainspace by Darth Stabro (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 05:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Hi Darth Stabro, review follows: article moved to mainspace on 23 September and exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout; I don't have access to all of the sources but they look to be reliable and I didn't find any issues with overly close paraphrasing on a spotcheck of ones I could access; for the image do you have any evidence it was taken by a serving US military person, other than the setting of it? Its immediate source is a US newspaper. Hook is interesting but the nickname is only mentioned in the lead and that it was awarded for "his insistence on being on the front lines" isn't mentioned.

@Dumelow: I'll get confirmation from the PA Veterans Museum that it is a USMC image but all evidence suggests it being an official portrait. I've placed and sourced more into on the nickname.~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 15:23, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, give me a ping when you hear back and I'll pop back to complete the review. As you say the photo is almost certainly taken for official purposes but good to have confirmation - Dumelow (talk) 15:26, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Howdy @Dumelow:, I've just got off the phone with the PA Veterans Museum where the Inquirer got the photo from and they confirmed that the photo is an official military photo and in the public domain. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 18:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Darth Stabro, image looks good. My only hang up is on the "because of his insistence on being on the front lines" bit of the hook. I don't think this is explicitly stated in the article. We have "Kelly's time as a chaplain was marked by an insistence on being on the front lines" and "The Marines of his division became so accustomed to seeing him that they nicknamed him "Father Foxhole" or "Foxhole Kelly"" but the two aren't linked directly. I'm happy to approve both hooks without the "insistence" part or perhaps you can suggest something? - Dumelow (talk) 09:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that makes sense Dumelow. How about was known as "Father Foxhole" for his consistent presence on the front lines? (I have no preference on which hook, whichever you think is best) ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 17:33, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- ALT2: ... that Marine chaplain Francis W. Kelly (pictured) was known as "Father Foxhole" for his presence on the front lines of the Pacific Theater?
- ALT3: ... that Chaplain Francis W. Kelly (pictured), who participated in the World War II battles of Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Okinawa and Iwo Jima, was known as "Father Foxhole"?

Approving ALT2 and ALT3 above. I don't yet have newspapers.com access but happy to AGF that the source supports the statement in the article " The Marines of his division became so accustomed to seeing him that they nicknamed him 'Father Foxhole'"; seems to be corroborated elsewhere anyway - Dumelow (talk) 20:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]