Talk:Fourth Merkel cabinet
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Mention Gender Balance?
[edit]Shouldn't the Composition section mention the Cabinet's gender balance? (It clearly seems important - in Merkel III, the 5 Ministers who are shown as being replaced were all replaced by a Minister of the same gender, even though the relevant article fails to mention this.) I could try to mention it myself, except that I'm not sufficiently interested and I don't know enough about relevant reliable sources, etc, so at least for the time being I'd prefer to leave it to other editors, per WP:NOTCOMPULSORY and WP:BNO. Tlhslobus (talk) 07:32, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Merger proposal
[edit]- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- No merge, no consensus and discussion stale, with some arguing that the topics are sufficiently distinct. Klbrain (talk) 16:55, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
I'm proposing this merger on the grounds that the content of 2018 German government crisis creates the impression that this situation exists in a vacuum and that immigration is the only topic on which the coalition government disagrees. This is, in my opinion, not in line with the Wikipedia:Neutral point of view policy. There is plenty of room for a summary of the present cabinet's activities in this article; if some specific aspect should turn out to require more in-depth treatment, this will probably only become apparent in retrospect and the relevant title can then be created as a separate topic. Cf. other articles in the series, such as Second Luther cabinet. Deb (talk) 16:39, 3 July 2018 (UTC) SEE ALSO Talk:2018 German government crisis for preceding discussion.Deb (talk) 12:05, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support with the note that this article in no way addresses the wider issue of the European migrant crisis, and I do not expect that t be fully covered after a merge if that is the result. Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 16:49, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Strong oppose The merger proposal is defective. The government crisis - so do the sources say - happened in June and July 2018. The sources are decisive here. The merger's purpose is obviously made to reduce or delete the material via NPOV tagging in the Merkel cabinet article - for reasons of WP:IJUSTDON'TLIKEIT, a silent deletion of an event of European dimensions. And even if we follow your arguments a bit and assume for a moment this article was about the German asylum policy as a whole: Why does the asylum policy only belong to the Fourth Merkel cabinet? You said it started much earlier. The political differences started much, much earlier! But that is not the issue of the article, even if mentioned as a background or "prequel", as this article is about the 2018 German government crisis, which is clearly defined by many WP:RS.--Greywin (talk) 17:48, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Even Washington Post and New York Times call this a "government crisis" but surely the non-arguments made here without any sources weigh more...--Greywin (talk) 18:15, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Let's see, we have BBC, The Times, Reuters, Deutsche Welle, Frankfurter Allgemeine, Der Spiegel, Die Zeit, Bloomberg, Wash Post, New York Times calling it a government crisis. So if everyone calls it a duck, maybe it is a duck?--Greywin (talk) 18:32, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- The entire content of the article is being merged here. No content is proposed for deletion. Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 22:19, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Odd idea. strong oppose. It is a crisis during the Forth MErkel cabinet. It's not like the whole cabinet is a crisis.--Nillurcheier (talk) 11:26, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Nillurcheier: Please note, I'm not proposing removing any content that already exists at Fourth Merkel cabinet, only merging this content into it. Deb (talk) 12:07, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- Odd idea. strong oppose. It is a crisis during the Forth MErkel cabinet. It's not like the whole cabinet is a crisis.--Nillurcheier (talk) 11:26, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- The entire content of the article is being merged here. No content is proposed for deletion. Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 22:19, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Let's see, we have BBC, The Times, Reuters, Deutsche Welle, Frankfurter Allgemeine, Der Spiegel, Die Zeit, Bloomberg, Wash Post, New York Times calling it a government crisis. So if everyone calls it a duck, maybe it is a duck?--Greywin (talk) 18:32, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Even Washington Post and New York Times call this a "government crisis" but surely the non-arguments made here without any sources weigh more...--Greywin (talk) 18:15, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Strong oppose two different toppics they should stay seperated Norschweden (talk) 19:37, 10 May 2019 (UTC)