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Expanding and updating the article
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Hi there. I’m an employee of Foundation Medicine who is interested in improving this page. I understand that my job creates a conflict of interest, so in lieu of editing myself, I’m posting here to find another editor to help. I’ve also posted the required disclosure at the top of the page—let me know if you have questions about my intentions/efforts here.
I’ve already drafted an updated article for consideration—take a look here. Ideally, I’d like someone to review what I’m proposing, give feedback, and, once the draft is in good shape, move the new material to the live article.
My main goal is to provide more detail about the company’s history and products, since there is quite a bit of information out there about the company that is not currently reflected in this entry.
I made sure to familiarize myself with Wikipedia's content policies before writing and I tried to maintain a neutral point of view and use only verifiable, published sources. If there are are areas where editors think I can improve, please let me know. In particular, I’d love to help making sure scientific concepts related to Foundation Medicine’s offerings are stated as simply as possible while remaining thorough and accurate.
I’m very open to collaboration and excited to work with the community to contribute to the project. Thanks in advance for your help! Fmidan (talk) 20:45, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Reply 09-FEB-2018
[edit]Here are seven tips to start out with.
- There needs to be a clear delineation between the company Foundation Medicine and their product, Foundation One. As it stands now, the article makes mere mention of the product. The draft version expands this coverage exponentially. Despite however counterintuitive it sounds, the article's focus should be on the company itself, and not its products. There should be, in one sense, the company-only page. Then, in another sense (if necessary) you would have the product-only page, and the twain should never meet. If the products require their own page, this information ought to be placed in a draft version and sent to WP:AFC.
- No less than half the draft version is information on products and partnerships. The company's own actions, taken irrespective of developments with either its products or its partnerships, should be the focus here. Any partnerships, like the products mentioned in point no 1, should be given only a minimal summary. More on that in point 3.
- Merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia.[1] An article should not become a complete exposition of all possible details, but rather, a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject.[2] Verifiable and sourced statements, like the ones in your draft, are always judged according to the reference's appropriate weight.[3] This means that references are judged on their individual contributions to the article, and whether or not those contributions are necessary.
- I would discourage the use of Forbes as a reference.
- In journal articles where more than 3 authors are listed, the use of et al. is suggested.
- Journals given as references with page ranges rather than one specific page number. The page numbers where information is to be found should always be communicated first and foremost. The page range parameter in citation templates is rarely used or required in Wikipedia, and when they are, it's usually because the page itself was not given.
- As the company is majority owned by Hoffman-La Roche, it might be a good idea to differentiate in the article how Foundation Health continues to be distinct from its parent organization.
- When you're ready, please be sure to change the template's answer parameter from yes to no. This will notify editors that you and your draft version are both ready to proceed.
References
- ^ WP:NOTEVERYTHING
- ^ See Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Rex071404 § Final decision, which suggested a similar principle in November 2004.
- ^ "Wikipedia:Neutral point of view". Wikipedia. 27 January 2018.
- Thank you so much for the thorough review and guidance, Spintendo. Before I revise the draft, I have a few follow-up questions and thoughts that I’d love to get your responses to:
- The company has several products, not just Foundation One, which is why I felt the expansion was necessary. How would you feel about just trimming the description of each product to just a sentence or two?
- The company’s actions have primarily centered around product development and partnerships. Does this mean you’d like this article to only be a History section? Or would it work to simply streamline the information in those sections a bit?
- I can change the journal citations—thanks for the feedback. I just used a generator I found linked on the Help:Citation_tools page.
- Are there specific details or references that you take issue with?
- Is there a reason you discourage ‘’’Forbes’’’ as a source?
- Thanks! Fmidan (talk) 22:21, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Reply 28-FEB-2018
[edit]- Trimming the product description to one or two sentences (depending on the length of each sentence) is the way to go. It's good to keep in mind that these should be summarized descriptions of what the products are, not detailed recountings of their development, developers, or other trivial matters such as patient usage statistics or the like.
- If the company partnerships are varied and numerous, they may be mentioned through the use of a cladogram, which is used specifically to describe relationships.
- Some of Forbes' authors are professionally vetted and, in some cases, may have credentials that allow the specific author to qualify under the self-published source criteria (established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications). That being said, much of Forbes content also contains articles by paid contributors, similar to a content farm. In the end, much of Forbes' reliability comes down to using only particular authors from them, and never using them for things such as third-party citations on statements regarding living people, for example.
- As far as references, I and other editors would have problems with source's connected to the company, such as itself or its partners. Publications which cater to the biologics/pharmaceuticals industry (MedTech Boston, MedCityNews, HemOnc, Genome Web, GEN, etc.) are also to be avoided, as are publications which cater only to the business industry (Boston Business Journal, Forbes, 4-Traders) since the readership for those publications is mightily different than Wikipedia's, which are broader and more generalized. Pieces written in those publications also tend to originate from the company itself, with little to no fact checking done from the outside.
- Regards, Spintendo 01:26, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
New thread for updated draft review--plus infobox request
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Hi there!
After submitting an article draft earlier this year and receiving great feedback, I've reworked my draft (trimming info, updating sources and citations, moving sections to make it easier for readers to understand what Foundation Medicine does) and I'm posting here to see if an editor can review. Also during this time, the company has had some major news (acquisition by Roche, CMS approval of FoundationOne CDX) that I included in this update. See above for background on my first draft.
Updated draft is here.
For those new to this page, I am an employee of the company, so I'm putting forth these updates for others to make if they think they're an improvement. In following the COI guidelines, I won't directly edit the article.
If the draft still needs some work, would it be possible for an editor to update the infobox in the meantime? In particular, some of the key staff listed are no longer with the company, we have more employees, and the products are different. Updates are in the collapse box (and in my draft).
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Headquarters | , United States |
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Products | FoundationOne FoundationOneHeme FoundationACT FoundationOne CDx Foundation Insights FoundationSmartTrials |
Owners | Roche |
Number of employees | 501-1,000 (July 2018)[3] |
Website | Official website |
References
- ^ a b c d "Foundation Medicine's (FMI) CEO Troy Cox on Q1 2018 Results - Earnings Call Transcript". SeekingAlpha. Retrieved 1 July 2018.
- ^ Jonathan Saltzman (30 November 2017). "Cambridge firm has high hopes for diagnostic test for cancer". The Boston Globe. Retrieved 18 June 2018.
- ^ "Company Overview of Foundation Medicine, Inc". Bloomberg News. Retrieved 1 July 2018.
I appreciate anyone taking the time to read this note. Let me know if you have questions. Thanks! Fmidan (talk) 15:34, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
Reply 21-JUL-2018
[edit]The employee count was updated to 662 per the Bloomberg reference provided.
Four individuals were added to the infobox key people parameter.
The 5th person was omitted per template guidance.
- Additionally, a portion of the text from your draft is insufficiently paraphrased from the source material, and should be rewritten in your own words or omitted. A description of the problem passage is shown here When ready to proceed with your draft, kindly open a new edit request.
- Regards, spintendo 20:42, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for making that update Spintendo! I didn't realize that only four employees could be in the infobox. Do you think it makes more sense to keep Melanie Nallicheri (CBO) over Jason Ryan (CFO)? Just thinking that Melanie's role is more public-facing.
- I've also updated the text you highlighted--some of the phrases couldn't be reworded because they're the official names of the organizations (they're just very long), but I took a stab at revising the paragraph overall.
- Thanks again for all your help with everything and your patience with me. Fmidan (talk) 21:09, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Update
[edit]![]() | This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. Text from the draft proposal is insufficiently paraphrased from the source material, per WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE. |
Opening a new edit request per instruction above. My article draft has been updated according to feedback and is ready for additional notes. Editors can review it here.
Restating for anyone just joining the conversation: I have a COI, so I won't edit the article. I'm just interested in helping improve the company's entry based on available sources and according to Wikipedia guidelines. Hoping others will find value in what I'm proposing and add it to the article. Thanks! Fmidan (talk) 21:09, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Reply 01-AUG-2018
[edit]- Text from your proposal is insufficiently paraphrased from the source material. This concern was noted in the previous review, but only a cursory change of wording was made. These passages need to be placed in your own words, using your own phrasing.
- I have placed Ms. Nallicheri in the infobox. spintendo 22:37, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Text as it appears in the proposed Edit Request |
Text as it appears in the Source Material |
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FoundationOne is a comprehensive genomic profiling (CGP) assay for solid tumors...that incorporates multiple companion diagnostics. It includes companion diagnostic indications for five tumor types: ovarian, lung, breast, colorectal, and melanoma that can help match patients to 17 targeted therapies. The company’s FoundationCore database contains more than 200,000 genomic profiles sourced from the results of the company’s assays, as well as data on over 150 cancer subtypes. | FoundationOne CDx is FDA-approved as a comprehensive genomic profiling (CGP) assay for all solid tumors and a broad companion diagnostic for patients with certain types of non-small-cell lung cancer, melanoma, colorectal cancer, ovarian cancer, or breast cancer to identify those patients who may benefit from treatment with one of 17 on-label targeted therapies. FoundationInsights is a secure web application pulling data from Foundation Medicine’s FoundationCore knowledge base, which according to the company includes more than 120,000 genomic profiles and data on more than 150 cancer subtypes.[1] |
References
- Hi Spintendo,
- The passage you linked to the first time is different than the one you pointed out above--I didn’t realize there was more than one problem section. Sorry about that.
- I tried to rewrite the sections you pasted above, while also sticking to what the source says. Some of the wording matches are technical phrases “companion diagnostic” (which is where the CDx in the test name comes from) and “targeted therapy”, for instance. Would it help if things like “comprehensive genomic profiling” were put in quotes?
- I’m used to writing about this in a specific way, so if you have suggestions for this language, please go ahead and change.
- Using the tool you linked, I went through and corrected anything else that seemed too similar. The tool does pick up long proper names like “Food and Drug Administration” or common phrasing like “solid tumors”, so I think that’s where any issues are now coming from--but correct me if I'm wrong.
- Thanks, Fmidan (talk) 22:50, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Revisions for review
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Hello! I’m starting a new request “ticket” to have an editor to review the latest iteration of a draft I’ve been working on for this article. That is located here.
I’d previously been working with Spintendo to make changes (you can see our conversations above), but I think he has been busy with other projects, so I'd appreciate it if anyone can weigh in who has time. As I’ve noted here and elsewhere, I have a conflict of interest, so I will not be editing the article directly.
I’m hoping this draft is in a better place than it was, but if editors still think it needs work, I’m wondering if there are smaller updates that can be made in the meantime. It just seems there’s enough information published about the company that more material can be added to expand the entry and give an overview about what Foundation Medicine does, how it came to be, how the tests are used, etc.
Happy to talk it out and eager to help improve this page.
Thanks, Fmidan (talk) 21:41, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Reply 04-SEP-2018
[edit] Citation quote parameters requested
- With the large amount of information requested to be added, I'm going to ask that the citation template's
|quote=
parameter be utilized in order to better review the material. - In each case where a citation covers a claim statement, please enter the direct statement from the sourced material which verifies the claim statement under the citation template's
|quote=
parameter. - In instances where a particular citation is covering the placement of more than one note, please enter each citation separately by not using the duplicate ref markup
<ref name=/>
in order to ensure that the|quote=
parameter contains only one quotation per entry. Once the review is completed, I will reformat all approved claim statements so that the references make use of the duplicate ref markup<ref name=/>
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I assure you that your request will be expedited as soon as these additional steps are taken. Thank you! spintendo 00:49, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
- Hi Spintendo. It took a bit to pull this together, but the draft has been updated with quotes in all the citations.
- I didn't add quotes for the infobox or anything that's already in the article (the first two sentences, for instance), but everything else should have them. Some of the quotes are a bit lengthy, especially where I had to summarize large chunks of information. If you want to review section by section, I understand. Let me know which you want to start with.
- Going through everything with a fine tooth comb actually helped me locate some better/more recent articles and clean things up a bit, so thanks for suggesting. I opened up this request edit again rather than start a new thread. I hope that's OK. I appreciate your ongoing help here. Thanks, Fmidan (talk) 02:05, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for making these changes, it's much appreciated. I will review your request forthwith. spintendo 10:17, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, Spintendo. Let me know if you have questions or feedback as you go. I have time today to make adjustments if needed, too. Fmidan (talk) 14:22, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for making these changes, it's much appreciated. I will review your request forthwith. spintendo 10:17, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
- Going through everything with a fine tooth comb actually helped me locate some better/more recent articles and clean things up a bit, so thanks for suggesting. I opened up this request edit again rather than start a new thread. I hope that's OK. I appreciate your ongoing help here. Thanks, Fmidan (talk) 02:05, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Reply to edit request 14-SEP-2018
[edit]Below you will see where proposals from your request have been quoted with reviewer decisions and feedback inserted underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please read the enclosed notes for information on each request. spintendo 15:36, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
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- Wow. I really appreciate all the time and effort you put in here, Spintendo. I need to spend time going through your notes and reasoning, but I wanted to thank you for making these edits right away. Thanks, Fmidan (talk) 16:24, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Edit Request
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NOTE: I am proposing this edit for FleishmanHillard on behalf of Foundation Medicine. I am a paid editor and am aware of the COI guidelines. I am submitting this edit request to propose revisions to the article to correct inaccuracies on the page and provide additional information for potential inclusion. Please see below for proposed changes and related rationale/sourcing. Thank you for your consideration. Jon Gray (talk) 16:28, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
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In December 2018, the company received regulatory approval for its genomic profiling test in Japan for solid tumors and a companion diagnostic for advanced cancer patients.[13] In January 2019, the company announced Cindy Perettie was appointed chief executive officer.[14]
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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jon Gray (talk • contribs) 16:28, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Reply 11-JAN-2020
[edit]Below you will see where proposals from your request have been quoted with reviewer decisions and feedback inserted underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please read the enclosed notes within the proposal review section below for information on each request. Spintendo 07:47, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Proposal review 11-JAN-2020
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Forgot to add edit summary
[edit]In a recent edit, I forgot to use an edit summary. I have a COI with Roche and am disclosing that here since I forgot to include it (I'm aware the COI guidelines don't require disclosure on both my user page and here, but I'm doing for of transparency).
Furthermore, the text was copied from Guardant Health Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)My Talk Page 21:37, 7 November 2023 (UTC)