Talk:Ford Focus Electric

Prototype vs. production model

Haven't edited car articles before. Should the prototype article stand as is, and should the production model have a separate article?(mercurywoodrose)76.234.123.226 (talk) 05:41, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

The article title allows for the production model to be discussed here, and the concept might be discussed as a section. Articles evolve over time.-Mariordo (talk) 06:05, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

'based on the conventional European Focus'

"The Focus BEV, based on the conventional European Focus." In view of the significant difference in powertrain technology and engineering involved, I would suggest something along the line "The Focus BEV, shared chassis design with the [third generation] (depends if considered appropriate to include) Focus developed [in Europe/by Ford Europe]. ---North wiki (talk) 05:40, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I am not comfortable with that wording too, but I am not certain which is the right way to explain it (as I explained in the merger discussion). So if you have a more updated RS please go ahead and correct this text. I read somewhere that it has to do with Ford's new global platforms.--Mariordo (talk) 05:52, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Move and restore

The original article Ford Focus BEV was moved to Ford Focus (third generation) despite the "no consensus keep the article" result of the merger discussion archived [1]. After consulting with an admin(see here) he recommended to do a cut and paste to restored the article content. Since a reversal of the move would have resulted in losing part of the content of the new Focus third generation article, a cut and paste was the less destructive approach, but the original history of the Focus BEV article remains in that article (and that is the purpose of the special tag above). Also, I took the opportunity to restore it under Ford Focus Electric (here), considering that Ford changed the electric car name from Focus BEV to Focus Electric when the production version was unveiled in early 2011. Let's take this incident as an opportunity to expand and improve this article, which is as relevant as the Nissan Leaf, Mitsubishi i MiEV and the Chevrolet Volt. I already did a re-write of the lead and some other minor adjustments.--Mariordo (talk) 05:56, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

You confuse matters by comparing a Focus to the Leaf or Volt. If there was a petrol, diesel, LPG or steam version of the Leaf or Volt, they should all be in the same article, so there is no relevance to your argument of trying to keep hybrid and electric as special standalone models. For me, the really interesting thing about the Focus Electric is that that it is part of a normal range of cars, giving the consumer a choice of propulsion options without having to make a public statement by choosing a stand alone model such as the Volt or Prius. Warren (talk) 19:25, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Warren, I understand your point, and it is good that you have been doing some thinking on the subject. However, your opinion on the matter does not negate the "Keep" decision that was rendered in the official discussion on the matter, which lasted several months and involved 14 different editors weighing in. Cheers, Ebikeguy (talk) 19:48, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Not sure if you are being kind or condescending, but either way, the new debate showed support for the reorganisation of the Ford Focus pages, and the past debate you referred to was closed by someone who was against the proposals, and then canvassed support from external websites. So the "keep" decision was hardly set in stone, and anyhow, is superseded by the more recent specific Focus reorganisation debate. Warren (talk) 22:05, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Warren. I was trying to be kind, but after I pressed the "Save" button I did ask myself, "Did that sound patronizing?" Not my intention, and sorry if it came across that way. As to your other point, the official discussion on the Focus Electric merge was closed by Mariordo, but OSX acknowledged the "Keep" verdict and even thanked Mariordo on his talk page for closing the discussion. The stealth discussion that was not even ABOUT the Focus Electric and was not advertised on the Focus Electric page cannot be used as a substitute for the real discussion that concluded the article should be kept. Ebikeguy (talk) 22:32, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Warren, all along I have been telling OSX to open a new discussion. It was his choice to try to re-open and re-interpret the two-month closed discussion that back then nobody contested, and he agreed when he thank me. The Ford Focus RS WRC blanking was resolved just like that, and the discussion is still ongoing. And the re-organization of the Focus family, which I supported, at no point was about merging or moving those articles, and I was explicit about the need for a new discussion if he was planning to merge the BEV article.--Mariordo (talk) 01:09, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I support what Mariordo and Ebikeguy are saying here. Due process should have been followed and there should have been a new discussion before the BEV article was merged. Johnfos (talk) 01:17, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Appropriate Units

Why, in an article about an electric car, that does not consume ANY gasoline at all, is there not one use of units that do not involve gasoline!

KJ/100KM Miles/KWH

these would be useful. I don't care if they are in brackets (after) (other) (units)

talking about imaginary gallons of fuel does my head in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.20.134.198 (talk) 02:16, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Warning sounds

The current article states: "The 2012 Focus Electric will include warning sounds to alert pedestrians of its presence when the electric car is running at low speeds. Ford developed four alternative sounds, and in June 2011 involved the car fans by asking them to pick their favorite from the four potential warning sounds through the Focus Electric Facebook page."

I own a 2013 Ford Focus Electric and it doesn't make any warning sounds whatsoever, at any speed low or high. Since it's identical in almost every regard to the 2012 model, I would highly doubt the 2012 made these sounds either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.183.56.44 (talk) 17:18, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

2017 Model with longer range

The battery size increased from 23 kWH to 33.5 kWH for Model year 2017 increasing the range to 115 miles. Also, DC fast charging is now standard. Should we update this page? 313-matt (talk) 17:58, 16 March 2017 (UTC) 313-Matt

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Battery replacement controversy

Since this car was discontinued in 2018, there are reports that replacement batteries are no longer available in 2022. There is an anecdote of an owner being told that a replacement battery would cost $14,000, but it didn't matter because replacements were not available. It seems there could be value in including this info in the main article. Jmvannoy (talk) 10:32, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

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Further functional details of the drivetrain

I personally own one of these cars and I've deep-dived the charging, drivetrain and cooling system. I have quite a bit of info I can add, but sourcing will be difficult. I have a few service manuals but I'm not sure I can find concise references for all of it. Any suggestions on how to go about it?

In particular, the Magna International systems include multiple coolant diverters that allow warm coolant from the motor to route into the battery when the battery is below the lower temp threshold and needs to run the heaters (40F, 3x300W PTC heaters). Conversely there is a "chiller" tied into the AC evaporator that can be used to chill battery coolant when the outdoor temp is higher than the target battery temp (97F). At that point, the battery coolant will cycle in a closed loop that takes it through the chiller, a pump, a filter, the battery and return through the onboard charger to the diverter. The solenoid valve in the chiller can actually take over the entire capacity of the AC compressor if the battery is far enough above the temp limit.

In effect it will passively heat and cool when possible to minimize energy use but can also completely cut cooling to the passenger cabin under high temp conditions. (I live in Phoenix, so dealt with the cooling a lot). I believe there is a reference diagram from Magna that shows these systems and the exploded parts views in the service manual match up.

I've also done extensive work in the charging system (AC and DC). As best I can tell the vehicle never pulls more than 29A on single phase L2 charging and, when it sees 120V input, it will not pull more than 12A regardless of the available capacity signalled by the EVSE. When charging on L2, it will power the AC or heaters as needed to keep the battery in the target temp range. Timothy.russ (talk) 18:58, 31 August 2024 (UTC)